So is the league like every other league and just exist only to help member clubs or does it involve actually making money for certain people. When a new team enters the NFL all teams share in that windfall. Is this a business set up to make profits for itself as an entity or designed to only look out for its members.I am probably not wording clearly, but I trust you understand what I am asking?
The expansion fees and league dues usually generate enough money to book an annual meeting at the St Louis airport hotel, pay for a cell phone, some office supplies, maintenance of the website, filing yearly documents and other miscellaneous stuff. There are no profits None Ever Really, I truly mean there are no profits or much income. A roaring success is a team that can tread fiscal water.
I am sure there is some type of profit , But if it is it can not be much , I agree I think it just covers all of the expenses and that is about it , It could also see why we have yet to see any type of advertisement by the league itself
Whatever amount of money the MASL collected was not enough to fully investigate the background & finances of former owners Thomas Gurriero (recently convicted of financial fraud and sentenced to 12 years of prison) and Dion Earl (various lawsuits described elsewhere on this blog). But that is all 'above my pay grade'. The MASL is going to spend more on legal fees than the background checks would have cost. Good luck, MASL.
( a ) Profits have been very few, historically, in this game ( b ) "just covers all the expenses and that is about it" is actually NOT profit. That is called "breaking even."
yes, there is very little if zero profit to be had. There is "revenue" and the revenue generated by this sport is crumbs compared to other sports. You need sponsors and television. Those two things carry big sports, not gate.
But you don't get sponsors and television without tickets sold. The NFL's ridiculous amount of TV money - which covers probably all or most expenses by itself - has warped some people's minds into thinking that tickets don't really matter, that it's TV and sponsorships. But the NFL (and other leagues) get that TV and sponsorship money because they have proven over the years that people will pony up for tickets. Indoor soccer does not get those things because it has been proven there is relatively little interest in the product. Everything springs from ticket sales. There is nothing that gets lots of TV exposure and sponsorship revenue without demonstrating an ability to interest people in seeing the product live, even if it's a niche. This sport cannot prove that people will consistently buy tickets to watch it in more than a Trump-sized handful of markets.
Absolutely Kenn, absolutely. I know you can help me with this. Well, us... So I am a fan of sports period, and take in the occasional view of random sports being shown on the tele. The other night I am stuck on PWBA-I think I got the acronym right. Anyway, I get to watch two women in the semi's bowling to then go on to the final that same broadcast. I can't imagine there are more than 300 people in the stands. It was a good semi and then final with a ahemmm, very decent looking lady who bowls for the USA and coaches at some abstract school in D-2 who won the championship. I digress...how in the world does this get on Fox Sports 1? Maybe it was 2...can't recall. But my point is, there can't be any gate...yet they get on live? I 100 pct agree with your post, just wondering what is able to drive this particular instance and any others like it. Thanks for your insight!
I know you're talking to Kenn but I thought I'd chime in. IMHO there's a few things in play here. 1, it's incredibly cheap to televise some fringe sports like bowling or darts at a sufficiently high level. 2, a large amount of people who casually play the sports at an amateur level help drive up potential sponsorship for equipment. 3, I'm guessing you weren't watching this bowling event during a prime time and especially during the winter, when basketball, hockey and football are going on.
Well, it's funny, because that bowling was on while I was also watching Copa America, so it would have been somewhere between 7:00 to 10pm central if I recall. I found it on accident really and then got stuck on it, I mean her...
The network was CBS Sports Network. I do not know if the PWBA bought air time or not, however for the previous three seasons the PBA had a 5-week "Summer Swing" and from what I understand, CBSSN paid a small rights fee for that set of shows. Compared to the era roughly between 2003 and 2015, where the PBA bought the time on ESPN (opposite of the NFL on Sundays). Recently the PBA negotiated with ESPN so that ESPN is finally paying rights fees to the PBA. The entire CBSSN package is for 23 shows... 14 PWBA, 4 collegiate and 5 Junior Gold, which is a high-level high school tournament.
FS1 and FS2 both will allow sports to buy time to "air" their sports. You can do it where you purchase a time slot and then you try and sell adverts or buy it for less and are given 2 or 3 ads but the network will place ads. Anyone in any sport can do this. I would imagine ladies bowling would fall into that classification. That is not a slight against bowling fans either. IIRC .......MISL bought time on ESPN2 to show the finals around 2007ish
The US Bowling Congress has a financial stake in all three of the events in the 23 show package. Wouldn't surprise me if they bought the time, also possible there is some other synergistic financial dealings involved. I can't get a straight answer from people that I know within the industry. The USBC is a non-profit, so if they made the purchase, it would be found in the annual report that will be released in fall. Not that I will remember to look for a line item for it six months from now.
It doesn't surprise me that a man from Wisconsin is in touch with bowling...one of my favorite states!
My guess would be that it is a combination of funding - the USBC pays some of the television fees, and various sponsors, including bowling-related sponsors (companies who make the balls, shoes, gloves, etc.) pick up the rest. I would also guess that those within the bowling industry don't want to admit publicly that they are paying to be on television, at least partially. It would be interesting to see the USBC annual report, though they may bury the TV fees in a line item for 'marketing' or 'community relations'. I don't think there is any shame in paying for television time, especially for a sport that while somewhat popular, is not a 'major' sport. With sponsors sharing the costs, it is possible to get the sport on TV/cable screens. The USBC sees television broadcasts as a worthy investment for marketing purposes, because millions of people bowl, buy equipment, go to bowling lanes, compete, etc. However, indoor soccer struggles to find such funding because overall interest in the sport on a national level is limited. Indoor soccer is caught in a classic Catch-22. Outdoor soccer has been rising in popularity in recent years, which sucks up potential sponsors as well as soccer talent. Can indoor soccer find a sports 'niche' long term, or will its fade into oblivion continue?
From what i have seen posted they are going to announce a new President and a MASL 2 . whatever that means my best guess is a rec center divisions like the PASL and PASL Pro set up
https://inlandfieldhouse.com/2016/06/27/ontario-fury-host-arena-soccers-revival/ News to be announced from the meetings include a new league president, a new second division (MASL2), expansion plans and a new media-rights deal. “You’re going to see a very big marketing arm launch for the league, similar to UFC or MLS. Digital media and marketing, that’s the future for us,” Lilavois said, before adding “I want something bigger.”
OK , They cant get the MASL running correctly and they are going to have a MASL 2 , marketing arm yea ok we all know Digital media means we can post on social media for free .
Great point everyone who posted on this thread said there is NO MONEY, and now the league is flush with money for marketing??
Thing about it , Sandiego , Tacoma , MKE . Dallas, Senora , Ontario , Chicago , CR are the only ones really getting more then 2,000 fans a game. Now if yearly league fees are $20,000 and all 18 teams paid. Then that leaves you with $360,00.00 to Pay the refs and all business expenses by the end of the year they are broke ..
Comets are over 2000. I am season ticket holder and have not missed a game since they have been back. I would say they are around 3500 to 4300 a game.
Here is an article about the recent MASL owners' meeting. http://pointstreaksites.com/view/masl/news/news_454363