Seleção General Discussion, 2015-16 [R]

It is really sad the situation we find ourselves in, and things just keep getting worse and worse.
I believe things start at the top with the corruption of CBF.
We are now in 6th place of the WC qualifiers. Since the WC and in 13 official matches, we have only won 5 matches; 2 against Peru, 2 against Venezuela, and Haiti. We have not beaten Argentina, We have not beaten Ecuador, we have not beaten Chile, we have not beaten Paraguay, and we have not beaten Columbia. We don't beat anybody!
We have been eliminated for the first time from group stage, of any major tournament, and in a tournament where the USA, THE USA, finishes first in their group!
And we have world class players God Damnit!! Players that are starters in the world's largest teams.
Dunga's entrevista today was an absurdity.
Really disturbing and very difficult to understand.
I woke up this morning sick in the stomach.
But...look at the bright side:
1- Dunga will be gone.
2- We will have our players back for the Brasileirao sooner than expected.

 

Strong possibility

 

Micale was doing some positive work with the Olympic team. Dunga should of never been put in that position. Dunga is doing poorly in WCQ, he did badly in this tournament. Do the CBF want to risk further embarrassment at home again by having this clown continue. He should be relieved of that position now.

 

However annoying and irritating the behavior of Corinthians fans in 2012, an impartial examiner must acknowledge that Tite did an excellent job that year. He led Corinthians to the Libertadores title without losing a single game, without a single penalty kick shootout, eliminating the previous year’s champion (Santos, with Neymar), and outplaying Boca Juniors in the final. Tite also led Corinthians to a victory over Chelsea in the Club World Cup – not bad for a manager who’d been effectively crucified for the Tolimaço of a year earlier.

What stood out at that time was his meticulous approach to the game. Granted, he’s had a number of setbacks since then, but I’d still say he’s the only Brazilian manager who has both the resume and the political capital to take over the national team.

My questions to you guys are: what would Brazil’s post-2014 World Cup overall performances, both in individual matches and in WCQ/Copa América 2015 and 2016, been like had Tite replaced Scolari in mid-2014?

 

LOL, really? What road is that? To another 7-1 performance? I guess he means financially they're still cashing in big cheques because surely, he can't be speaking about the Selecao performance on the field of play.

 

My guess is Dunga &Rinaldi will be fired tomorrow.

I have no idea who will be hired.... Tite? Jorginho? Estrangeiro?

 

My only fear with Tite is that he may be loyal to a Corinthians group (although every manager seems to have a group of home related players he sticks with). I don't want to see guys like RA, Elias, and Gil in this squad anymore with better players available.

And the next manager needs to have a press conference apologizing to Thiago Silva for the disrespect shown by Dunga these past 2 years and make him captain until he retires(joking but not really lol).

 

Even with his screwups, he is still better than any other CB we have by a long shot. Its like Germany not calling up Boating or Spain not calling up Pique/Ramos.

 

I don't think that matters much, Renato Augusto has been doing better for the national team than most European based players, despite playing in China.

What we need is to use the best players, without league-based prejudices that only reduce our pool of players.

 

You can't bring up the Chelsea handball without providing some context. Right after conceding the penalty against Chelsea, he scored which allowed us to go through on away goals. He's been flawless for PSG for about a year and a half, both in L1 and in the CL.

I don't agree that he was solely responsible for your elimination in last year's Copa America and I think it's especially unfair to point out his incident in the Copa America, while Neymar gets a pass for his behavior.

And again, out of every Brazilian player at WC14, Thiago Silva is the absolute last one (or maybe second to last after Neymar since he got injured) who should be criticized. He is an excellent captain for PSG, by the way. Very level headed yet always puts in 50% more effort than any other player on the pitch no matter what.

Honestly, I would kill to have a player like him for France and you guys don't even select him! Meanwhile we're stuck with Koscielny and fucking Rami.

Edit: as for the apology, I don't think it's because TS, or any player, should feel entitled to be selected. I think he deserves an apology for being mistreated and for being unfairly made a scapegoat. It'd be one thing if he wasn't being selected because a manager was genuinely interested in allowing younger players a chance, but this was clearly personal from Dunga and that shouldn't be tolerated.

 

I specifically said he was also great in the CL. He was our only player who was excellent in all our games including our disappointing games against City. And of course PSG is head and shoulders above any other team in Ligue 1, but that doesn't automatically mean all our players are going to be flawless 100% of the time. A lot of them had disappointing seasons. If you don't want to compare him to the players in L1, feel free to compare him to the other players on our team; he was better than them all.

That's sad that you don't consider Thiago Silva outstanding. I'm not going to compare their talent level because they play different positions, but I'm not even sure what talent level has to do with anything.

It's crazy to me that you're using that one yellow card to systematically declare him a horrible captain, but we can agree to disagree.

 

Yes, I saw it. It was stupid and I was disappointed in him. But there's never been a captain in the entire history of the sport that has been perfect at all times. But it was just a silly mistake, it wasn't a huge error. Not like practically assaulting the ref in the tunnel.

I mean hell, Zidane headbutted a player in a World Cup final and got a RED card and we still love him.

 

BTW, one more thing sorry... I know you don't put much weight on his excellent performances in L1, which I can understand to an extent (but not fully), but TS was also the player with the highest average rating in the CL this season.