What U.S. Player Has Done the Best In Europe All-Time?

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by WALDO, Apr 27, 2007.

  1. Monarch Bay Beachbum

    Apr 5, 2004
    The OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dooley himself says he is from Homburg, very near Saarbrucken.
     
  2. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    yeah, the problem was me calling Saarbrucken "Rhineland" I guess. Apparently those southern Rhineish types get called other names that are not printable.
     
  3. Zak1FCK

    Zak1FCK Member+

    Aug 23, 2005
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    FC Kaiserslautern
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually a small town near Homburg, but in Rheinland Pfalz. The city limit is the border with Saarland.
     
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  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    which of our boys has the most silverware from Europe?
     
  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Wait, so was I right all along? Now I'm very confused... (unlike before when I was just my usual confused.)

    Guess I'll have to get off the couch and look at a map...
     
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  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Without looking it up, I'd guess Beasley, funnily enough.

    JOB had 2 Ered titles, a cup or two.

    Reyna had an SPL title and a cup or two as well.

    Onywu had a few Belgian titles and a cup or two.
     
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  7. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Subotic won a few Bundesliga and Pokal titles.

    Magath and Hartwig won the Champions Cup with Hamburg. Felix was also a two-time WC finalist.
     
  8. Monarch Bay Beachbum

    Apr 5, 2004
    The OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I s/w him this afternoon. He is born and raised in Bechofen/Pfalz which he says is right on the border to Saarland.
     
  9. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax

    Beasley, with 7 pieces: 2 SPL, 2 Eredivisie, 1 each of KNVB Cup, Scottish Cup and Scottish League Cup. Edu is next with 5 titles.
     
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  10. Zak1FCK

    Zak1FCK Member+

    Aug 23, 2005
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    FC Kaiserslautern
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is what I said.
     
  11. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Wild prediction or so but Wood is gonna be the top scorer in the Bundesliga for Americans

    BTW look at a club like Fulham. Its 2 top scorers in the EPL are both Americans.
     
  12. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Does this mean it's going to be an retrenching year for Pulisic or that Wood will actually score quite often FOR HAMBURG? It's asking a lot of anyone to be top anything for a side that is in the shape Hamburg is in, though. Last year, I thought 10 to 15 was possible for Union, and he blew by that. But this year, I'd think 5-10 would still leave him as the club's top scorer.
     
  13. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Knock on wood....
     
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  14. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    In case you are still confused: Rheinland-Pfalz = Rhineland-Palatinate- The northern part of the state is part of the Rhineland, the southern (where Dooley is from) isn't. Like many other German states (e. g. Lower Saxony or Baden-Württemberg) it was created by the allies post-WWII out of formerly independent territories. For example, you would also get funny looks for saying that Stuttgart is in Baden.
     
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  15. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    by top I kinda just meant he'd score more than any other American in his first year in the Bundesliga. I think 10 would def achieve that.
     
  16. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah, but by 5-10 I'm thinking 5 would be a pretty good return this year
     
  17. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    From the stats im saying it def seems Hamburg has an extremely hard time scoring so 5 might even be a decent amount. Hoping for 10. Though my hopes are always trashed with US strikers (Jozy in the PL for example)
     
  18. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I'm not really confused. Or, not any more confused than usual. When I lived in Bavaria a million years ago I thought anything along the Rhine in the west was the "Rhineland" but I think I was taking liberties.
     
  19. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And, after such a sparkling debut with 2 from 9, I've got hope that Pulisic tops 5 this year.
    IMO, Woods has his work cut out for him. And Wood will be classified as a failure if he only gets to 5. This is the sort of thing US fans tend to hate, but it's what comes with being a high profile purchase. Big things are expected, whether they are realistic or fair or sane or not.
    So, getting this off Wood and onto topic, it is the sort of thing we haven't often seen with US players, that they arrive not as squaddies who might surprise but with high expectations. The keepers have done this. In lower divisions we've seen this with a lot of players, but at the top level the number of US field players who have arrived and been expected to hoist the team onto their shoulders and carry them through is really small. IMO, this is what overwhelmed LD in Germany, and it's not surprise that his Euro success came when he arrived as a solid player who can fill a role for a bit at Everton.
    Jozy, as you note, at Sunderland, is a good example. He'd done enough in Holland to merit expectations, and then failed to match that success and dashed them. Dempsey had hella success with Fulham, then (what exactly, meh-ed?) at Spurs. At Fulham, he's a consideration. But unless you're a Fulham fan, he's judged on what happened after the big move, so solid. He arrived with high expecations. Did he meet them? Not sure he did or didn't.
    Dooley doesn't fit this pattern, because he was a success before he was a US nat, and really was on the beginning of the downhill portion of his career at that time (I say this lovingly, but he showed up in a US shirt in 92, when he was 30).
    So, IMO, we're down to Reyna and DMB. DMB burned brightest, though at PSV. So I'm going with Reyna, who was consistently on the cusp of better than average/very good throughout his European career. He was enough of a deal to arrive with expectations, and meet them.
     
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  20. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Were you around when Wynalda played?
     
  21. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Around alive and watching soccer, yes. But around in terms of living in Germany, no. Still, I admit I was never a Wynalda fan, and that has nothing to do with anything. I know he had quite a bit of success and should be in the conversation, just not my cup of tea.
     
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  22. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    how succesful was he? like I get that he was a bit of a shock to them in that he was scoring goals from day 1 but did he achieve anything of note while in Germany?
     
  23. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    *crossing fingers* that Bobby might be in contention for this discussion in 10 years
     
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  24. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Whatever credit he gets, he will have earned. He's without a doubt as committed to becoming a star as any US player. He's got an amazing focus and will to improve. My guess is that, barring injury, he will be in the discussion in 10 years.
     
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  25. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you can make very strong arguments for both Bradley and Patton, but I'd go with Eisenhower. I think his job was harder.
     
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