USSF Sues the USWNT

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  1. RUfan

    RUfan Member

    Dec 11, 2004
    NJ
    Club:
    Sky Blue FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A change in the union's position
    On page 2 footnote:

    1 The WNTPA has informed the USSF that it does not contest that the MOU is still in effect until the end of this
    calendar year. The dispute before this Court, therefore, is now confined to whether the MOU includes a “no strike,
    no lockout” clause approved by the players and signed by the union.
     
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  2. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For those who want updates: @Jvlaha tweeted after being in court today. Here's the highlights of what happened:







     
  3. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
  4. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks.

    A court will grant a summary judgment motion only if there is no genuine issue of material fact. A "material fact" is one that will have a bearing on the court's decision. Courts ordinarily are pretty reluctant to grant summary judgment motions. Thus the tweet suggesting it looks like the court will not grant either summary judgment motion is not surprising. On the other hand, if the suggestion is true that the the court says the case will proceed to a trial that will be completed before the Olympics, I'll be surprised if that actually happens. (Just as I'll be surprised if the EEOC case results in a decision.)
     
  5. Binchy

    Binchy Member

    Sep 7, 2001
    Choctaw territory
    If the USWNT is allowed to strike and they do so, could the federation simply replace them with scabs (I think that's the proper term) for the Olympics?
     
  6. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    This is a court battle.

    There is ZERO chance of either a strike or that players will be replaced.
     
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  7. Binchy

    Binchy Member

    Sep 7, 2001
    Choctaw territory
    What changed your mind?
     
  8. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    #133 Cliveworshipper, May 28, 2016
    Last edited: May 28, 2016

    The announcement by the players and their association in court that the possibility is not on the table.

    I don't really see it as a change in what the USSF would do if they did strike.
     
  9. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    When did they announce that?
     
  10. BlueCrimson

    BlueCrimson Member+

    North Carolina Courage
    United States
    Nov 21, 2012
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    That is regarding the federation's suit against the PA to prevent a strike, not the EEOC complaint.
     
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  11. steelers07

    steelers07 Member

    Apr 8, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    So...what's next?
     
  12. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Link to an article with more info at FourFourTwo.

    From the judge's ruling:

    IMO, not a surprising ruling. All of us who'd read the filings knew the WNTPA didn't have much of a leg to stand on even though the MOU was sloppily done.

    All that's really been decided is the CBA and its no-strike/no lockout clause is still in place; IOW, no strike before the Olympics. CBA negotiations are still ongoing, as is the EEOC case.
     
  13. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The cost for deflategate are already 22 mil. The women might lose more in legal fees than what they would get with their preferred CBA.
     
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  14. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Even Foudy is on that,


     
  15. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AP story has full 13-page document of judge's ruling. Enjoy!
     
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  16. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which is a shame, honestly. I do wonder if the players have read any of the documents for themselves or are now just listening to the lawyers.
     
  17. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The per diem part of the EEOC argument really bothered me. They have included in the past two CBAs that their per diems will be higher than men at the time of signing. It's been the mechanism for increasing the per diem because the men eventually get a higher per diem in their following CBA and is a very easy way to argue for a higher per diem in their next CBA. The per diem was always argued in the CBA.

    It's like they don't spend time reading the CBA or are willfully ignorant or chose a poor lawyer. It may be all three. But outside of Horan and Pugh, the WNT is all college educated at some of the best universities in the country. They deserve a raise, but what exactly is the plan. This is like purposely choosing the hard way.
     
  18. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Do the men have CBA?

    Again, IMO, Playing for the National Team should be a pay for play type. If you get called up for a game, you get paid for that game, if not you don't. Playing for your National Team should not be a full time job, both men and women.
    Then we could talk about equal pay.
     
  19. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No, it shouldn't.

    My guess is, the USSF pays the WNT so handsomely because the free market (women's club ball in America) cannot pay them enough to keep them from either playing abroad or quitting and finding a real job. Without the tail-wags-dog approach the USSF has taken, the WNT might not be as dominant as they are, so it's kinda one hand washing the other. But while it's been successful in terms of trophies, it's still weird to see the USSF usurp the role of club ball in growing the women's game.
     
  20. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Yes.
    It's pay to play for the men. They don't get the benefits the women do.
     
  21. BrooklynSoccer

    BrooklynSoccer Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    As Foudy stated, who's leading and guiding the WNT? They seem to be making ill advised, questionable and not thought-out decisions.

    I know the team states they can focus on the pitch and not let this stuff effect their play. I disagree.
     
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  22. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    this is what happens when you hire a bad lawyer, no?

    they may end up losing more than they gain.
     

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