News: Wednesday, May 04, 2016

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Fiosfan, May 4, 2016.

  1. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. Fiosfan

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    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  4. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    Reminds me when some poster (may have been a small group of them) a few years back wanted San Jose to drop Earthquakes, that had been around in some form for 40 years, in favor of FC - because of tradition.
     
  5. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
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  6. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The word "tautology" was created for moments like this.
     
  8. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Yup.

    I'm guessing it means MLS is delivering influencers with some spending money at an age range where they're cementing brand loyalties for themselves and maybe their families.
     
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  10. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    The classic English 4-4-2 longball can even be exciting to watch, as Leicester proved as well. Caveats, and they're not small, being that applies when a) only one of the two teams is playing that way, and b) they are executing it well. The real problem of the old days came in because that's how more than half the teams played, and most of them were pretty so-so. . . a lot of their longballs were to the head (where as Leicester plays them mostly on the ground) and were pretty aimless.
     
  11. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now."
     
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  12. GVPATS77

    GVPATS77 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Fullerton, CA
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  13. bbsbt

    bbsbt Member+

    Feb 26, 2003
    Yup.
    And had nature followed his logic there wouldn't be any chickens... or eggs.
     
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  14. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I always find conversations about the death of the 4-4-2 interesting. They typically miss the point that it has been the base formation for so long because it is so flexible. You can get width by keeping wingers wide and the defense compact, or pinch the outside mids inside and have the full backs attack. You can drop two box-to-box mids deep in the mid or play a diamond, and on and on. If there is one consistent feature of the 4-4-2 it is in pairing forwards together to work with each other. Even then, one can drop deeper into the middle when necessary.

    I think the 4-4-2 requires a lot of versatile players with great tactical recognition to work well. I think that 4-2-3-1 is designed to overcome that need by packing the middle in front of the back four and, and the 4-3-3 is meant to mask the lack of true two-way wide players.

    Is the 4-4-2 dead? I don't know. But its been dead before.
     
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  15. Etienne_72772

    Etienne_72772 Member+

    Oct 14, 1999
    Yeah - the logic is pretty poor. I guess this is an argument that could have been used in EVERY city looking to start an MLS team at ANY time during MLS' history. And yet, for the most part, MLS is pretty successful in most cities now. Certainly, some embrace it better than others, but to me that comes down partly to city culture (Portland, Seattle) but moreso to ownership group (KC or, to look on the opposite side, Chicago).
     
  16. flange

    flange Member

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. KCFutbol

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    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  18. Fiosfan

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    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Reads like a letter to the editor that wouldn't fit in the paper, so they edited out all the rationale connecting the two claims and all the supporting evidence.
     
  20. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    And it can be a hot knife through butter when a bunch of teams are doing an uninspired job of implementing a more sophisticated "continental" style of play.

    Pre-Heysel, British teams were alternately derided and admired and feared in European competition for playing their style. I understand and am pleased by the evolution toward possession and a more cerebral style, and I like to think that's going to bring teams more success in the long term. But the Leicesters and Liverpools will have their day, and often enough the best option is to zig when everybody else is zagging, and better than you can.
     
  21. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Hello Trevor Francis!

    Who's himself a reminder of the fallacious criticism that America is the elephant's graveyard of international soccer. We heard that criticism all the time about the NASL... because hot shot young guys like Trevor Francis, Bruce Grobelaar, Peter Beardsley and Hugo Sanchez weren't household names yet.

    There are lots more ways to blow holes in that critique, but I love looking at the list of talented young players the NASL was attracting, and I'm proud of the job MLS does with uncompetitive budgets.
     
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  22. LordRobin

    LordRobin Member+

    Sep 1, 2006
    Akron, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the show is pirated a lot, too. :D

    -------RM
     

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