2016 In-Season MLS player movement discussion

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by EvilTree, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    Let's revisit this in 12 months. I doubt anyone's going to be inviting Howard on Good Morning America if/when they miss playoffs again. While the world will turn the page, Colorado will still be stuck with a senior citizen GK making multi millions ...
     
  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But in 12 months will they invite him in when/if the U.S. is heading into a crucial WCQ? (Lets just set aside the JK effect for now and assume we'll be in the hex and in shape to qualify). Or in two years as the U.S. prepares for Russia (again, setting JK aside)?
     
  3. LimeTree

    LimeTree Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I think you're exactly right. But I also think his transfer has to be part of larger processes that get the Rapids winning in order to be of maximum effect. If he catches all this attention, but the Rapids still stink it up on the field, will they be able to hold onto all those heads they've turned once Timmy retires and the fanfare's over? That's the next part (and there are some indications of this, eg. Jones).
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would say Gashi and Pappa more than Jones. Jones was another head-turning signing that will help somewhat on the field but Gashi and Pappa were the real on-field improvement moves of the offseason IMO.
     
  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Like the Galaxy did after Beckham? They missed the playoffs in 2007 and 2008 (tied for the worst record in the league that year), but they still had the best attendance in the league both years.
     
  6. LimeTree

    LimeTree Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I think that's a pretty poor comparison. As far as PR coups, you'll be hard pressed to find a bigger one than David Beckham for 2007-era MLS. Tim Howard, as good as he may be for Colorado, isn't it. And in 7 of the 11 seasons before 2007, including consecutively from 2003-2006, LA had the best attendance in the league. Beckham didn't change that pattern. (In 2009 the average attendance dropped ~5000.)
     
  7. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    How many DP signings have actually influenced attendance growth though? Scanning through this, no names really jump out as the type that are going to "turn heads" besides Henry, Marquez, and Blanco. Henry and Marquez had no effect, and Blanco caused a slight surge in attendance that basically took Chicago back to their historical average.

    Howard has more cachet with American fans than just about every DP signing in league history, so I think Beckham, while obviously a much bigger signing, is among the best comparisons you can make.
     
  8. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Orlando road games seem to invariably draw more fans than other teams visiting that stadium. Given Orlando being an expansion team last year, you would think Kaka had a lot to do with that increased attendance.
     
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  9. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    I think Drogba and Dos Santos also made a measurable impact.

    I just can't see a goalkeeper have the same impact, even if you're looking at it from a USMNT fan POV. I think Dempsey will go down as the more pivotal American signing because at that point it was unprecedented. To nab a player from a big club so close to his prime in a WC year ... And the dollar amounts were bigger compared to Howard. Since then this whole process has become somewhat routine with Bradley, Jozy and JJ ...
     
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  10. Zamphyr

    Zamphyr Member

    Mar 31, 2003
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't you miss the Adu bump attendance posts ?

    The cool thing about those early DP's was the attendance bump on the road. People in the N&A Attendance thread did nice analysis of who brought out how many - pretty sure Adu, Blanco, and Beckham were the only ones that generated >500 person increase avg. each road game.
     
  11. LimeTree

    LimeTree Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    #61 LimeTree, Apr 8, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2016
    Just anecdotally I remember watching that first Beckham game in New York. Was a nutso game too.

    Overall, I still think it's an apples and oranges comparison
     
  12. aztec21bas

    aztec21bas BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 24, 2009
    Mullica Hill, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He does bump attendance...... In the NASL!
     
  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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  14. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    Promoting players from within?? Lame ... When are they signing a 35 year old Premier League retiree?
     
  15. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    They're fresh out of those. LAG snapped up the last ones.
     
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
     
  20. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia


     
  21. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    So what is the deal with Collin. Why did he lose his starting job in OC?
     
  22. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    I think it is simply the fact that he is older and slower. He is still a force in the air, and he has smarts. But Hines, Redding and Mateos all move better and Redding and Mateos are better at distributing the ball out of the back. That is an important trait in Heath's system. Still, I think he would be in the lineup if not for the development of Redding. Add in Collin's price tag and international slot and it is kind of a no brainer. Also, Conor Donovan should be getting close to a return and he was actually ahead of Redding on the depth chart last year before his injury.

    He did a tremendous job helping the young team transition last year, and I think he will be a big help to NYRB at least until their injuries clear up.
     
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  23. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Thanks.
     
  24. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    And now official...
    http://www.newyorkredbulls.com/post...uire-defender-aurelien-collin-orlando-city-sc
     
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  25. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
    Club:
    --other--
    Waiting to see the 2016 salaries, but RBNY is probably near the bottom in payroll again, so they can take on some salary. Even if Collin is so sclerotic he can only cover half the ground he used to, he's defensive cover with only a year to go on his deal.
     

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