Who well represent Asia in World Cup 2006

Shuvy what does that mean? You want to call someone a name why don't you just call it like a man? What is this insinuating garbage? Give me a break. If anything, China has been too naive and too clean. We actually lost to Hong Kong and missed a world cup before. Instead of having an understanding beforehand like what other countries do, we actually honestly naively believed the right thing and the only thing to do was to play well. And we didn't play well that day. Hong Kong won 1:0 and we missed out. I hope China gets smarter this time. And I don't think they will. They're just too damn straight. But I'm hoping. We'll see.

 

Some people just want to start fights any chance they have. And when there's no chance they'll simply make one up. Either they need to fight to feel like a normal human being or they're just too sick to control their own behavior. So Chinesefootballfan keep your gunpowder dry or make use of the "Ignore" button, you've ventured outside of the Great Wall.

 

The appearance you put on is not representative of what you really are then. What do we usually call someone like you? A phony. For peace? I've yet to read one legible message from you that's for peace. You're a flamer and nothing else. Except you're a weak one. You can't even stand on your own so you have to resort to taking cheap shots at China here and there now and then.

What kind of person are you? For peace? I wasn't born yesterday.

 

Based on your rationale then were was Saudi Arabia ranked before 80's at all? Did they even have football?
It is true that in a ten year period between 80's and mid 90's our football regressed but we have a revolution and a war in that period to use as an excuse.What is yours my friend?

 

one more game to play for each team but it's hard to imagine Korea, Iran and Kuwaits gonna let their lead slip away against weaker opponents, especially on their home soil. so, should they all win their groups, seeding will look like this:

1. Korea Republic / Japan
2. Saudi Arabia / Iran
3. Bahrain / Uzbekistan
4. Kuwait / Korea DPR

what kind of groups you guys like to see? i personally like to see Korea Rep and Iran go at it again.

 

I'd love to see this group: Korea Republic, Iran, Uzbekistan, Korea DPR

 

It's a shame Oman is bowing out. They are a good side in AFC. They just had the misfortune of being paired against Japan. The only side I can say with reasonable confidence that will make it to Germany is Japan. The only team they lost to in-conference since 2002 is Korea Republic.

 

Well as recent as EURO 2004, English fans booed the anthem of the opposition. It is also done in many matches throughout europe and south america as recent as this summer. No one does it? More like many does it. People in some European countries still make "noises" when a black player touches the ball. Candians booed teh american anthem when the iraq war started.

Second the Bolt was such a terrible accident but only one was thrown, that shows it was done by one knucklehead, so to hear the korean posters branding the chinese crowd as a bunch of bolt throwers is childish. One person throw it and mightve been tossed out of the match and punished.

Now my personal favorite, the bus incident. Chinese fans gathered outside the stadium. nothing was thrown, but the police thought it would be wise to leave and the bus left two players. Dont make it sound like the crowd attacked the bus and two had to be left behind.

The war was over 60 years ago but that doesnt mean you should forget about it. It is history that will never be forgetten by the chinese people. How ironic an korean would say this. As i read in a football histroy page many korean players in the last 20 years use the war as motivation to play extra hard to defeat japan in soccer. Especially playing in Japan.

amateurish act? - well someone in the asian cup forum there are photos of korean club supporters doing the nazi salute, and as recent as barcelona's korean tour, korean fans gave them middle fingers and threw hundreds of bottles onto the pitch. And that was to a guest visiting...for friendlies

 

Are you going to use yet another excuse for not being anywhere in football from 1980-1996? Iraq was at war too you know, and they went to the world cup in 1986, I dont hear them use the war as an excuse.

 

Top 2 teams advance so I'd love to see Iran and SK duke it out. But then again, I wouldn't want Iran, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Korea to be knocked out in the next round. We need the top teams for the WC. More the merrier I say. China too if they can survive this one.

 

Really? If you understand Korean you should be able to hear the friend of the injured woman protesting to his male compatriots that things had been thrown at them throuout the match and why they were not responding to their complaints. Objects were specifically thrown at them; it was not just random incidents from uncontrolled crowd. The most frequent appears to be some form of urine from the smell of it.

I am the one who first brought this incident to this forum and posted the link that showed the video clip(I still have it). I got yellow carded immediately by that jappanese pansy moderator.

If that is the case, chinese are very slow learners. Violence against Korean fans happened at least twice before, in the span of less than 5 years. In fact it is so regular that KFA made a suggestion that supporters("red-devils") do not go to china for soccer matches, which was widely, viciously and justifiably criticized by the Korean soccer fans.

Two things common here are that they appear to target females only(at least initially) and that they only attack in OVERWHELMING numerical advantage. That just means you are not stupid since everyone knows what happens if fistfights break out between equal numbers of Korean males and chinese males.

Oh really? But chinese do that too AND do the things that I mentioned in the above.

Besides there is a world of difference between bottles being thrown to the pitch by angry fans with no particular aim and deliberate predation of females of another race by effete and effeminate worthless eunuchs who are frustrated by the fact that they can not defeat their male counterparts in whatever the form(soccer,fistfight or whatever that requires abundance of masculinity).

 

I don't know man, that was some atrocious behavior by Chinese fans at AC. It was a pretty shameful imagery for China to portray in light of its recent efforts to modernize and spiff up its image en route to Olympics and all.

 

Well put Fevernova.

Could you imagine anybody asking the Jews to forget about their WW II experience and move on? At least the Jews have gotten an official apology from the Germans and have at least a hundread films reminding us everyday how horrible the Jewish experience was during WW II. Not only we're not getting an official apology, now Koizumi has to add insult to injury and announced he'll go visit the Japanese Nazi war shrine again and again. Can you blame the Chinese for getting excited?

How many Jews were killed in WW II by the Germans? 6 million. How many Chinese were killed by the Japanese? 100 million. And this piece of little shiiiiiit comes here and asks us the forget the war and use a few fan's bad behaviors as an excuse to take cheap shots at China for two and a half months!

 

No disrespect guys, but can you adjourn this debate to the rivalries or NSR forum?

 

Sorry to have made you mad. But now let me point out the obvious. You ARE mad.

Now you're saying you're not even Japanese. At least you're coming clean now. But weren't you still thanking Hamatachi for coming back to be the bully for you only yesterady here in this thread. Why have you felt like you have to hide behind the Japanese the hurl grenades at us Chinese you little man?

AC turned you agaist China? That was just a soccer tournament you little man. Chinese fans are usually the mildests fans in the world. Need I remind you Indonisian fans throw anything (bottles and whatever else). English fans travel to other countries to start troubles (throwing a few things at anybody is mild by their standard). The Korean fans behavior made Beckham swear he'd never go back to Korea and play. Are you anti-Indonesian, anti-English, anti-Korean then? No you're not. But you have to pick on somebody right you little man so you don't feel too bad about how little you are right? And you think China is an easy target with all these anti-China shiiiiit going on here so you hid behind the Japanese and started taking cheap shots at Chinese here and there now and then.

Booing athem is lame? Says who? Nobody else does it? So what? We Chinese didn't get to be the first flag burners or bottle throwers or whatever shiit that's been going on outside of the Great Wall, let's be the first national athem booers. You ARE the lame one. Yeah rirght it's more acceptable if the Westerners have done it before you lame little shiiiiiiit?

So why did these usually mild people get so passionate this time? Did you see what they were demostrating agaist? The Japanese government. Led by the neo-nazi Kiozumi, who has repeated gone to worship the Nazis of Asia, Tojo & co. and just announced publicly, in the capacity of Japanese PM, he'd go and worship these NAZI criminals again and again every year. Can you imagin the rage and hatred it would have stirred up in the West and among the Jews if the German PM went to worship a Nazi shrine and announced he'd go again and again?

Instead of paying attention to this big picture background and at least be a bit patient, not to mention be understanding of the reason behind the fan behaviors, which were mild if you apply the Western fans behavior standard, you got brainwashed by all the anti-China rhetoric and two and half months later still had to come and take cheap shots at Chinese you little little man.

 

Bottom line... All biases aside, we need the best 5 to represent us well and go as far as possible by world standards, for we have much to prove.

 

Did you know that the olympic gold medal count is directly correlated to GDP and population of a nation? With that being said I believe that economic well being is a huge factor is sports. Every country that has hardships will have problems performing well in sports.

I understand that Iraq did well in the soccer when Iran was performing weakly. They also were being funded by ALL arab countries (including the oil rich persian gulf nations) except for Syria. They had overwhelming support from the west too, surely that would have had an effect on economics and thus filter into sports too.

Im not making excuses and I honestly belive that Iraq have one of the best soccer teams in the middle east, however I just think that all facts should be stated and understood when explaining hardships and soccer rankings

 

Well, India has 1 billion people. Not many medals.

On GDP, there're two GDP's. Total or per capita. Total Japan is number two. Again, doesn't correlate with its medal count. If we're talking about per capita, China has only $1,000 per capita, that's got to be outside of the 50th rank at the least, definitely not correlate with its number two gold medal standing in the Olympics.

Excuses excuses excuses......

 

I said GDP (per capita) AND Population...
Anywho...
Im in no mood to prove anything today actually, so ill let you go read the article and write the author who happens to teach statistics at Dartmouth, about how its all just an excuse...

http://mba.tuck.dartmouth.edu/pages/faculty/andrew.bernard/bernardrestatjournalversion.pdf