Qualifiers 1934: 4-2 United States 1950: 6-0 Mexico, 6-2 Mexico 1954: 4-0 Mexico, 3-1 Mexico 1958: 6-0 Mexico, 7-2 Mexico 1962: 3-3, 3-0 Mexico 1966: 2-2. 2-0 Mexico 1974: 3-1 Mexico, 2-1 Mexico 1978: 0-0, 3-0 Mexico 1982: 5-1 Mexico, 2-1 United States 1998: 2-2, 0-0 2002: 1-0 Mexico, 2-0 United States 2006: 2-1 Mexico, 2-0 United States 2010: 2-0 United States, 2-1 Mexico 2014: 0-0, 2-0 United States Tournament 2002: 2-0 United States All time record 15 wins for Mexico, 7 wins for the United States and 6 draws. Mexico used to dominate the USA, but it has been more equal recently. But the USA won the most important matchup between the teams.
You'll notice that our record improved dramatically when Landon Donovan came on the scene. When he played we could beat them. When he didn't play it was a much longer proposition.
I don't see the US beating Mexico again for a long, long time, not with the current coach and players. Just being realistic.
You've posted similar "realistic" takes on other threads, and you're just as wrong here as you are in the other threads. We've had a terrible year, and even at our worst, the worst we've been in a long time, we took Mexico to ET. Sure, they're better than us right now, but that's no guarantee of success. It hasn't been since the 80's, and it won't be in the future.
FOr us older folks, the game that showed we were making progress was the draw at the Azteca in 1998. That was really that game that indicated to US fans that we'd truly made up ground in the rivalry. In their previous two home WCQers of the hex Mexico had demolished Jamaica 6-0 and El Salvador 5-0. We got a servicecable 0-0 draw in front of 115k Mexico fans. As the game wore on and the Mexico fans started getting frustrated by their inability to break thru, they started turning on their own team. They sarcastically started cheering the US team.
Totally agree. The USA and Mexico are generally on the same playing field, and we are in for competitive soccer from here on out between the two teams. An in form mexico and struggling USA went into ET, proving this point.
You're not being realistic. You're just using words without knowing what they mean. How can it be a "long, long" time if you limit it to the current coach? He has 2 1/2 years, max.
El Tri needed everything to defeat that sh$%storm of a team JK rolled out in the Concacaf Cup. We'll be ok.
And some good luck. Jozy missed a couple chances, and that ridiculous deflection on the last goal was comical.
To be fair, if either of those 2 PKs were called, it would have probably been a comfortable win for Mexico. Thinking back to WC2002 and the last qualifier in Azteca, we have gotten away with 4 major uncalled PKs versus Mexico.
If this, that, or the other thing. El Tri is a team that never should have made the CC if one wants to play the ref card. GTFOH.
To be fair, Mexico has always had that advantage and will have that advantage for a long time to come. The depth of the Mexican player pool has been greater than ours since I've been a fan in the late 80s. I thought for a while there we actually had a mental edge against Mexico (early to mid 2000s). They wanted to beat us so badly, that it started effecting their play on the field. You'd watch Mexico hold their own against a Brazil or Argentina and you'd think "WOW! This Mexico team is going to kick our asses." Then they'd stroll into Columbus and make all sorts of mental errors. Schellas Hyndman would say they lacked "emotional intelligence" in some of those games. They weren't playing like themselves. They were unrecognizable. The worst was the Sven-Goran Erickson qualifier in Columbus. That wasn't Mexico. I don't know what it was. Until the recent Confed Cup playoff, for instance, Chicharito had never scored against the USMNT. He had an enoooooooooormous amount of chances. He missed chances he'd make in his sleep with one foot glued to his butt. What was that? [In the opposite sense, Clint Dempsey has never scored against Mexico. A strange fact, but true nonetheless. Landon Donovan scored 6 goals & had 7 assists against Mexico. You could count on Donovan to play well against Mexico every time.]
Mexico were too indirect in their play. When they learned too vary their game is when they started to play better against us.
Mexico are vulnerable to direct pace which is what Donovan brought among other things. arjen robben did them in in the wc
You appear to be logically challenged. I replied to your post where you said that Mexico needed "everything" to beat that Klinnsman shit storm. I pointed out that that was not the case. They did not need those two uncalled PKs and defeated us despite the ref costing them 2 probable goals. Thus they did not need everything. Germany in 02 was a team that needed everything, including a bias/blind ref to beat us.
You appear to be some sort of facile fool. They didn't get the 'uncalled pks'. They didn't waive the 'pks'. The 'pks' weren't even that close to being such. LD had chances against the Germans but failed, Frings or no Frings.
Concerning youth development, I think they might be increasing the gap. While we are making strides, they are not standing still. About 10 or so years ago (not sure exactly when) Mexico really stepped up the youth development with their clubs. I am currently on an extended vacation in Mexico. A few weeks ago I saw the U15 club final on TV here. So not only is there u-15 league, the final gets televised. I think most/every team now has a U20, U17, and U15 team. Given their recent youth and Olympic success, it certainly appears to be paying off. And yes, I certainly agree that Mexico had a mental block against us for a while there. I think they are now over it. They are learning how to win more so than before. Also with more players at a high level in Europe and the experience of those youth tournament wins I do not think the players see us as that severe a rival that must be conquered, thus feeling less pressure than previously. Also we play the type of game that gives them trouble, fast physical smash and grab. Personally I think Mexico needs to bring in an quality German or Italy assistant for the sole purpose of teaching them how to defend set piece crosses. That has got to be their biggest weakness. Hell we are basically guaranteed one headed set piece goal against them every time we play. I was stunned that Croatia did not score off of one in the WC. Brazil should have, but Ochoa was both on fire and blessed that day.
I'm not one to complain about Fring's handball because I believe O'Brian handled the ball in the penalty area in the game against Mexico.
Competitive on the score sheet yes. Which of course is the most important objective to achieve, but in terms of the product and the gap in play? No Now if ever Mexico would learn to respect the USMNT more and I pray the time has finally come. With Osorio basically not allowing an athletic Honduras to get behind our defense. Thus not allowing them to create & convert "cheap goals" out of nowhere. Then I believe will start to see EL Tri growing it's Win % in official games since 2009 2-1 Mex. 4-1-1, should've been 5-1-1 but you know Chepo and bad midfield
I concur with this, Mexico has produced some great young players while the US seems to stagnate at times. It's difficult to see the US coping well with this new generation, who have a different mentality from the older guard and are better skill wise.
One problem I think the Mexican has struggled with is a kind of belief that it's supposed to be Mexico's right to be better than the USA. In 1934 there was a World Cup qualifier between Mexico and the USA to determine the final participant in Italy 1934. The Mexican team sure of victory, didn't train at all or attempt to stay fit, as they didn't think a nation that didn't have a soccer culture could do well. They lost 2-4 and the USA qualified. Obviously that was a long time ago, but Mexico seem to have some kind of mindset against the USA recently.