World Cup Expansion to 48 Teams (Update: FIFA Council Agrees 2026 Slot Allocation)

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  1. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Of course I am using an analogy
    Better send more teams from a region (second tier UEFA teams) that at some point sent great teams than from regions than merely produced good teams (1tier CONCACAF CAF AFC and 2nd tier CONMEBOL)

    The same way you would take more chances with an academy that has produced rarely great players in the past then an academy that often produced good ones
     
  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    What's your definition of 'great teams'. Those that get to the semifinal like Uruguay in 2010? :confused: Or those that reach the final, like zero UEFA have outside those in the top tier?
     
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  3. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Yes
     
  4. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    We made the semi's in 1962 (actually we were 3rd there), so we must be a great team, and according to waitforit, we must be 1st tier in Conmebol....
    :D
     
  5. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
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    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    #455 waitforit, Feb 15, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2016
    Well in that case we must include Hungary Sweden Czech Republic (5 finals between them) Austria Poland Russia Serbia + the previously mentioned Croatia Bulgaria and Turkey + Sweden again
    As USA Chile and S Korea (ugh!) already make it to the WC consistently we should give more chances to the previous greats no?

    I am half joking btw
     
  6. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Don't forget the 2 WC championships (1930 and 1950) and the only 2 World championships (1924 and 1928; both recognized by FIFA, before the existence of the WC). All won by Uruguay, that puts them in a higher tier than France, England and Spain, whom only have won 1 WC champioship each.
    ;)
     
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  7. Datderfranny

    Datderfranny Member

    Apr 1, 2015
    Detroit, MI
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting to note that usa chile and south Korea have all made a semi final, since waitforit is now ok with going back 80+ years.
     
  8. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    NYCFC - Napoli
    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Somebody can explain me why most the Africans and Asians ( favorable to have a WC with 40 teams ) nations not will vote for Infantino, while the Europe and South Americans nations ( adverse to expansion to 40 teams ) will vote for him ? Isn't a great paradox ?
     
  9. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #459 Rickdog, Feb 15, 2016
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    Yeah, so have Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan, from AFC, whom were part of the former Soviet Union that made it to 4th place in 1966....

    :p
     
  10. mrtandy

    mrtandy Member

    Oxford United
    England
    Mar 12, 2003
    Banbury,Oxfordshire.
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well if Uruguay can have 1924 & 1928 then England can have 1908 & 1912 as Great Britain was represented by the England national amateur football team.
     
  11. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Simply, because they've been fvcked by lots of europeans in the past, so they don't believe them nothing....
     
  12. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Miramar, Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    NO. FIFA regards Russia as the successor team to the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union's records are part of Russia's records and no one else's. Similarly Czechoslovakia's records are part of the Czech Republic's records (not Slovakia's), Yugoslavia's records are considered part of Serbia's records (not Croatia's, Bosnia's, Slovenia's, Montenegro's, etc.), etc.
     
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  13. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Nope, only 1924 and 1928, got FIFA's recognition as being their World championship

    1908 and 1912 were unofficial tournaments according to FIFA and basicly restricted to european teams. where some teams presented 2 teams as well, and the Brittish asociation (which includes 4 diferent teams) only presented one team representing them all.
    1920 was the first Olympic tournament that saw a team from elsewhere participate in it (Egypt), but still didn't get recognition by FIFA.

    After 1928, the WC was created and alive, so no further Olympic tournament, got that recognition
     
  14. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yeah, but that's crap (on regards to what FIFA thinks), as most of the players from that Soviet team were from all the diferent nations that were part of the USSR (most from Ukraine, btw), and russians weren't even half of the players of that team. In its latest years, there were very few russians in the team, if any at all.

    In the case of Yugoslavia, most of the players from 1930 were serbs, while for 1962 most of them were croats. (could be the other way around, but what matters was that in those years they didn't get along well, mixed together, which was a pain in the butt for their coaches).

    In the case of Czechoslovakia, most players (if not all) were Czechs, so there is really no problem in including them all as part of the Czech Republic.
     
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  15. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Other than Turkey, who are more an Asian nation than European, no other second tier UEFA NT has reached the semifinals this century. Which great teams are you exactly talking about?
     
  16. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Maybe Greece, and he is confusing it with the Euro .....
    :confused::D
     
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  17. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    NYCFC - Napoli
    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Somebody can explain me why most the Africans and Asians ( favorable to have a WC with 40 teams ) nations not will vote for Infantino, while the Europe and South Americans nations ( adverse to expansion to 40 teams ) will vote for him ? Isn't a great paradox ?
    If will win Salman, the WC of the 2026 will be with 40 teams ?
     
  18. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I'm not sure Europe is adverse to expanding the World Cup. They stand to gain. Not only will they not have to put up their excess slots, they may well gain a spot or two.
     
  19. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
  20. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    I wasn't ok with but since he brought up Chile
     
  21. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    They will fail in taking away spots from other confeds - no other confed will back them save for maybe CONMEBOL. Not to mention they don't deserve any more.

    UEFA also seems not to be noticing the risk that China and Asia in general pose, as they our basically trying to topple their club power by throwing money at their own leagues. Come 2030 UEFA will no longer be a hegemon in top level talent.

    If the UEFA superleague is formed this will only undermine Europe's league system, because it will limit the number of top players that can play in Europe. Also think that a UEFA superleage will be a failure as people prefer their local leagues where a pan-European competition is a cherry. Making a money-based superleague will be self-defeating.
     
  22. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #472 Rickdog, Feb 16, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2016
    You are not the only one who says things like those you said.
    I've been hearing it, almost since the day I took concience of myself when I was a very little boy. Now I'm over 50, and you know what ?...... nothing has changed and on the contrary, you always see the big guys (most of which are from Uefa), doing whatever they wanted to do, getting out with it as they planned them.

    Yeah, there was this guy Havelange that appeared in the middle, with his little pooch companion (Blatter), who promised lots of things to everybody. But as a good politician he knew that he would not be able to do much, so he decided to act more as a business man instead, and as smart as he was, he put everyone in the world (and I mean everyone, even that tribe leader in some lost volcano island in the middle of the Pacific), in FIFA's pay-roll.
    So the mighty minds and powers existent, could continue doing what they wanted, but the money that it generated was going to go to diferent pockets. Pockets that weren't originally suposed to get filled, but that was the only way they could continue doing their things, so they had to accept it.
    Now Havelange is gone, and his pooch that followed him on charge when only he decided to quit, now after an even longer term than the one of his former boss, also seems to finally finish his days as the head of FIFA, and someone "new" is coming. But that "new" guy, after all, will still be moulded the same way as the ones who preceeded him . So not much will change at the end. In the case of Infantino, or Salman, or "whomever funny" name, comes, it will probably the same, and after this election takes place, we will not be looking at the politicians who promise everything, but instead we will see the real guys, those who can't deliver anything they promised before. The only thing we will see from them, is how they fly their newly acquired jet aircraft from one place to the other. Maybe they will buy a new set of scissors used for cutting ribbons.....


    On relation to the expanssion, if they don't really want it, it will never happen.
    And they will keep on doing what they do, in absolute healthy conditions......

    Maybe in about 50 more years (by then, I'll be feeding worms) a new member will come around here and he will post your exact words.....:p
     
  23. Datderfranny

    Datderfranny Member

    Apr 1, 2015
    Detroit, MI
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know you were referring to Havelange, but I couldn't resist...

    I am not sure any of these guys are very smart when a guy like Blatter in an official press conference, less than a year an a half ago, was talking about an Interplanetary World Cup haha
     
  24. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #474 Rickdog, Feb 16, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2016
    If you knew where he hides his money and the total amount of it, maybe you wouldn't be making a joke of him.
    Specially, if you consider that he started only being a news reporter....

    In the case of Havelange, he started being a waterpolo player ....

    In both of their cases, they didn't inherit any money. They started from scratch, and made it, so you got to give them some credit for that.

    And btw, multi-millionaire's are in a position where they can afford making a ridicule of themselves whenever they want to, and be positively certain that most of the times when they do it, they are not there, doing it for free
     
  25. Datderfranny

    Datderfranny Member

    Apr 1, 2015
    Detroit, MI
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is really getting off of the beaten path, but anyone who in the realm of seriousness discusses the possibilities of an interplanetary world cup, is a buffoon, for countless physics reasons that aren't worth mention here. I don't care how far theyve made it or how much money theyve made in life, they just outted themselves. At the time I really hoped he was joking, but if he was, he really needs to work on his delivery.

    It just goes to show you how big if a joke it is how this game is governed, from all the way at the top at FIFA, all the way down to how the game is officated.
     

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