2016 Crew Roster Thread

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  1. patricksp

    patricksp 91.9 Crew Fan Rating

    Nov 4, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They had a player that disputed his contract extension saying he never agreed to it blah blah blah, but that was his agents fault, he then went to Mexico and signed with another team, while still under contract with MLS. The Mexician team was forced to pay a transfer fee.
     
  2. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It wasn't an extension, it was one on Vancouver's 'option years'. And while Quretero did eventually pay a fee for Camilo, many people thought that if they did follow through with taking it to FIFA and/or the Court of Arbitration for Sport, Quretero would have won. They eventually settled for a fee of around $1 million. Camilo was the golden boot that year.
     
  3. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #678 Bill Archer, Jan 27, 2016
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2016
    Queretero claimed it was a "multi-million dollar fee" but reliable details are pretty hard to come by in regard to that mess.

    However that may be, the basic facts were clear; Vancouver exercised the option year on the guy and legally held his contract. Queretero didn't pay that money out of generosity, they paid it because they had to.

    Nobody came out of the thing looking good; his agent is an ass, the player is an arrogant dick and Vancouver exercised an option without even giving the guy a call and letting him know.
     
  4. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. SecretWalrus

    SecretWalrus Member

    Aug 2, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you're not going to pay Kei after the season he had, who will you pay? His performance was exemplary - on and off the field.

    This feels like one of the rare moments in an off-season where we will define what kind of organization CCSC is. Whatever happens, we're going to learn something about AP.
     
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  6. Skeleton Crew

    Skeleton Crew Member+

    Mar 20, 2009
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Lets say he puts in another 20 goals?

    would you consider then?

    For me, a center forward/striker is one of the places where you overspend for potential production.
     
  7. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did not say that a raise wasn't reasonable. But getting $500K a year, as he does, does not exactly make him "one of the league's most underpaid players" either. That's still a top salary in this league. Just because Seattle, for one, overpaid for Dempsey, doesn't mean we should too. I think Arace overstated the point.
     
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  9. eboe

    eboe Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He IS underpaid for his performance. That is the point. He should be making 1m per season. That seems about fair. 750k at least.
     
  10. west ham sandwich

    Feb 26, 2007
    C-bus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kei would be the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player on most teams. There are quite a few where he'd be the highest paid player, based on MLSPA 2015 Guaranteed Salary.

    Again, I'm not going to whine and complain if he and the team renegotiate, but I'm not entire sure the team should give him the farm because he had one excellent year either.

    For comparison, Mike Magee actually was MLS MVP two years ago, and he makes 100,000 less than Kei does. Lee Nguyen was runner up a year ago and he made less than 200,000 last year.
     
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  11. mmradio13

    mmradio13 Member+

    Apr 13, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But according to some Crew supporters Kei is better than Giovinco so he should make $8m/year + 500k in spacecash for every goal he scores.
     
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  12. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still, he's not one of the "league's most underpaid players". That's what I quibble with.

    And some fans are really good at spending other people's money.
     
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  13. Dan Milton

    Dan Milton Member

    Nov 25, 1998
    There is one reason you sign a multi year contract. That is to assure that no matter what hapeens during
    the time period of the contract you will receive a predetermined amount of money. If you do not preform for whatever reason you still get the agreed upon amount. If you preform better you don't get more money. He should have asked for a contract that paid less money for less performance and more money for outstanding performance.
     
  14. west ham sandwich

    Feb 26, 2007
    C-bus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A hundred thousand space bucks, that's unfair!
     
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  15. patricksp

    patricksp 91.9 Crew Fan Rating

    Nov 4, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hell yes then you should pay him, but more likely they would sell him. Was last year a blip or is this a start of a trend?
     
  16. Crewture

    Crewture Member

    Columbus Crew
    Poland
    Jan 28, 2013
    Linesville, PA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just pay Kei $1 million and call it a day. Kei deserves it. Especially because no one was really thinking before last year he would score 20 plus goals. Kei's only the best goalscoring forward we've had since Stern John. Got to pay a little more, I think even a 20 plus goalscorer in MLS will get some shots by bottom relegation or near relegation top league level teams in Europe. In several leagues. Especially with where Kei is mentally.

    He's staying in Columbus. He only missed half a season to play here. But can't hate on Kei for asking more. It's smart, even agent wise.
     
  17. Salacious Bum

    Salacious Bum Member

    Jun 5, 2010
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Now this is just getting silly. I'm sorry, but it is.

    I love Kei, you love Kei, we all love Kei. But this has absolutely nothing to do with what we think he deserves.

    The man signed a contract. A binding agreement. Voluntarily. Yes, he scored a ton of goals last season, but that's his job. And it's a job that still has two year to go. If he doesn't have strong performance bonuses written into his current contract, he should fire his agent. Immediately.

    I hope the team are able to work something out to make Kei happy, I really do. But calls to essentially double his salary are insane, and would set a terrible precedent.
     
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  18. CBusAlex

    CBusAlex Member

    Jun 17, 2011
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I need to know the conversion rate from spacebucks to garberbucks before I can comment on this.
     
  19. josiahp

    josiahp Member

    Jan 30, 2013
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    It depends, are you looking to get GAM or TAM for your spacebucks?
     
  20. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Astro Boy???

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  21. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
  22. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    It would be interesting to know what Kamara and Finlay received in performance bonuses last year.
     
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  24. eboe

    eboe Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 23, 2006
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who knows, perhaps he only wanted to negotiate in performance bonuses? I'm sure we will never truly know, but I thing he has earned a bump to at least $1 over Sauro's salary, if just for the principal of the matter.
     
  25. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    This is silly. Of course Kei should ask for more money as he's outperformed his contract. Sports contracts aren't particularly binding as players can be cut or holdout/retire. If you're a contract stickler why aren't you complaining about Gaven? And MLS contracts typically don't have much in the way of performance bonuses because they count on the cap whether earned or not. In the NFL, unused cap space rolls over to the following year so teams don't mind big incentives. But in MLS, unused cap space simply returns to the owner/operators, ie Precourt gets about 1/20th of the unspent amount.

    It's hardly a terrible precedent for a team to give a player a new contract. The Crew have done it already this offseason with Finlay. Teams should want to pay for performance and a now established big scorer is worth a lot more than 536K in MLS. Kei would be a bargain at 1 mil per year if he scores 20 goals again.
     
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