FOX Soccer Channel Stupidity Thread

Discussion in 'TV, Satellite & Radio' started by MasterShake29, Sep 5, 2009.

  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    The Brazilian Ronaldo was at the PSG match last night. FOX commentator mentioned how he had a couple of great years at PSG. :D

    Got me thinking... is he mixing-up PSG with PSV? Or Ronaldo with Ronaldinho? :unsure:

    So basically he announced to the country that he's only started watching soccer some 5 years ago. :rolleyes:
     
  2. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    So I forgot to DVR the Norway - Hungary match yesterday so I said to myself no sweat...
    ...I can just watch the rebroadcast this morning on FS2.

    I am usually not the type to complain about spoilers but at about 45 seconds into the match the Final score is flashed on the bottom of the screen in their scoreboard crawl.


    Simply idiotic.
     
  3. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    So watching Sweden-Denmark on FS2. At halftime they inexplicably cut to college football and directed everyone to go to FSToGo for coverage of the soccer game. They managed to rejoin the soccer broadcast two minutes into the second half.

    And that's all you need to know about the state of soccer coverage on Fox Sports today.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
  4. Non-dairy Creamer

    Feb 28, 2007
    they would never do the reverse of course

    Like espn scheduling back to back little league world series or WNBA games and soccer, you know it's going to run over.... :mad:
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    This was infinitely dumber than sicking with a baseball game or whatever that runs over its time slot. Either stupid or just plain sleezy. Isn't fox soccer to go a paid streaming service? So I'm supposed to pay to continue watching the soccer match?
     
  6. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    I meant Fox Sports to Go, their regular sports app.

    At any rate, I heard the halftime there was the football game as well. So whatever they were directing you to do wasn't actually helpful in watching soccer.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
  7. LaxBandit

    LaxBandit Member+

    Aug 27, 1999
    North Tonawanda, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Kot Matroskin

    Kot Matroskin Member+

    Aug 10, 2007
    SF Bay Area
    Sad that he looks back on his time in terms of "well, I'm proud that I did the best I could", which is tinged with a bit of regret regardless of how he says it. I think he still doesn't quite get what he did wrong, which makes it even sadder.

    I like the guy as a person, and he's a real pro, but he never should have been hired for that job and that blame lies at the feet of the Fox execs who also didn't know anything about soccer.
     
  9. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah. It's my understanding that he was the SJ radio guy. That's probably fine, but give a guy some practice before you cast him into the limelight. Even the legendary announcers had to start out somehow and I'm sure when guys like Derek Rae and Arlo White were starting out, people were criticizing them. The Gus Johnson experiment had two failures. They cast a rookie into the limelight and didn't coach him. I posted an article in here a while ago about how Jim Nantz understood how he would never announce a golf tournament the same way as a basketball game. If Gus didn't bring his screaming maniacal self to a soccer game, would it have been different? We'll never know.
     
  10. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah but there's a big difference. I'm sure that both of those guys grew up steeped in the game, having watched countless hours of footy, developing a broad and deep understanding of the nuances. GJ might've done that with basketball but it sure seems like he didn't with soccer. That is what made FOX's decision to place him into that role so short-sighted.
     
  11. Kot Matroskin

    Kot Matroskin Member+

    Aug 10, 2007
    SF Bay Area
    Exactly this. This is why the call for "more American voices" in and of itself is not practical at this time. There just aren't enough pros out there who have the depth of understanding from growing up the with game. Some of them fake it ok, but the majority are crap.

    My hope is that there are kids out there now who love the game and are practicing soccer play-by-play day in and day out like so many of the great sports announcers did in their sports as young people.
     
  12. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kyle Martino & Chris Sullivan are good examples of Americans who grew up with the game, know it really well, and tend to say insightful appropriate things. There are a few others out there but we need a lot more. Until then I'm still very happy to listen to Darke, Champion, Tyler, Drury, and yes, even White. ;)
     
  13. Kot Matroskin

    Kot Matroskin Member+

    Aug 10, 2007
    SF Bay Area
    Definitely agreed. Unfortunately, Kyle and Chris are color/punditry and not play-by-play.
     
  14. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed.

    The original MLS'ers have all retired. Some have taken broadcasting jobs. As those who are now considered "seasoned vets" retire, hopefully they'll find broadcasting jobs. I think that's the biggest issue... we need people who have played in MLS and know the league who can announce the matches....and up until recently, our options have been fairly limited.
     
  15. Kot Matroskin

    Kot Matroskin Member+

    Aug 10, 2007
    SF Bay Area
    Former players don't make good play-by-play announcers typically. That's a special skill that requires years of practice, a pleasant voice and something of a gift. Unfortunately, in the US, these guys don't grow up with the game, so you end up with what we usually get, which is play-by-play announcers from other sports retrained for soccer. The results are mixed at best.

    Players usually end up being analysts or color commentators if they go into broadcasting. They are usually there to add insight to the play-by-play man who almost never has playing experience. We've got these guys in spades now.
     
    Gonzo repped this.
  16. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's my understanding that overseas (not just the major European powerhouses) announcers also announce other stuff. Is this true? Because soccer is king in other countries, what type of job do those announcers do when they announce other sports?
     
  17. bigtw64

    bigtw64 Member+

    Aug 16, 2003
    florida
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Ian Darke used to do boxing as well as soccer when he was at Sky - I'm sure he could make the most boring sports seem exciting
     
  18. tsun23

    tsun23 Member

    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doesn't every network have a guy who announces 2 or more sports?
    Fox-Joe Buck: MLB, NFL, Golf
    CBS-Jim Nantz:NFL, CBB, Golf
    ESPN: Mike Trico:NFL, Tennis, NBA
    So if you notice, even announcers in the US do multiple sports
     
  19. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    For Germany both is possible. You're an football announcer or do other sports as well. Football exclusive most likely means you are working for SKY or Sport1. They're usually considered the best since private pays the best. Or you're working for Germany's BBCs(ARD or ZDF) then you're most likely an allrounder. E.g. Bartels announced the 2014 final and is currently announcing the Four Hills Tournament which is a big deal over here. But hey there are also legends like Rethy who's a football exclusive announcer(Brazil 7-1) but works for ZDF. And there is Buschmann a former basketball player working for Sport1 announcing just everything: football, american football, hockey, basketball.

    But yes, ARD or ZDF have the public mandate to broadcast sport and therefore normally bring in experts in the resp. sport but not as color announcer. There are no color commentators. They have allround journalists. The quality of broadcast is generally also on another level. E.g. would it be totally unacceptable to pronounce players names wrong or appear not well-informed enough. Or to make an epic show out of something thats just some pretty boring shite. So Id say they do a good job but it is a complete different job profile and of course there are guys whose way of announcing fits better this or that sport.
     
  20. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Yeah, that's the point. FWIW, I believe Chris Fowler also does horse racing in addition to his college football duties.

    But as white/blue says, it seems that most channels in other countries have the same procedure, they're just better informed and maybe because that's because they're journalists and not necessarily hired hands. I guess the equivalent here would be if people like Jim Rome, Tony Kornheiser (although that was tried and failed) and Dan LeBatard took the places of the PbP guys.
     
  21. tsun23

    tsun23 Member

    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    oh dear, that would be absolutely terrible
     
  22. TJNash

    TJNash Member

    May 22, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chris Fowler is ESPN's lead tennis voice.
     
  23. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Damn! Spurs have moved to Leicester, England! How will this impact their rivalry with Arsenal? Discuss...


    Leicester London.jpg
     
  24. Redbullsnation2012

    May 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yea, graphical error. The only blatant culpret of that is ESPN tho. My word :rolleyes:
     
  25. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not much to discuss really. The FOX staffers are a lot more clueless about the culture & geography of England than NBC staffers are. I noticed something else last night while I was watching that match... they showed little gray squares of upcoming matches and at first they listed "Milton Keynes"... 10 min later they'd changed it to "MK Dons".
     

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