Really interesting to see how these next couple weeks play out now with "Operation Turnkey" full steam ahead and more news like this coming out. http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/ins...s-dreams-hit-another-stadium-roadblock-113015
This is really disappointing, not in how it impacts Sacramento's chances, but that they can't get a freaking stadium location in/near downtown. It sounds like now they're going to look farther away? We all know how well that works for a fan base and attendance and excitement in a city. They really can't be going for that. The civic leaders just seem to not care if this happens or not and are not willing to help locate the stadium in a good spot. It's sad, and I hope MLS doesn't make another mistake with Miami in settling for a crappy location just because it's the only thing that can work at that moment. They need to make something happen. Can you imaging David Beckham heading a group to get a stadium done in any other city wanting in on MLS? They'd be falling over themselves to give him deals and options. Miami is failing and it's a good thing for Sacramento, sadly.
Little Havana isn't exactly downtown. And Overtown doesn't really look to be any further away. You can see Marlins Park on the left, Overtown circled in red, and downtown in the lower right:
Ah, I had heard that they were looking farther north, assumed that's where Overtown was. That's actually closer. However, looking around that area in Google, doesn't look like there's much option there unless they bulldoze a couple blocks of houses or some other stuff.
Miami Beckham United fails again. http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2015/11/30/beckham-group-abandons-latest-plans-for-miami-mls-stadium/
From SRFC website http://www.sacrepublicfc.com/news/2015/12/01/concept-designs-unveiled#.Vl4ZwybluB8 During the design process, SSEH sought to achieve three goals: Create the Best Home Pitch Advantage in MLS – The stadium will create the most intense and intimidating match experience in MLS – a place Sacramento Republic FC players love to play and other teams dread to visit. Key design features include: the steepest rake in MLS to put fans as close to the action as possible; and a closed bowl and continuous roof structure that wraps around all four sides of the pitch to capture and concentrate fan energy towards the pitch. Celebrate the Best of Sacramento – The stadium will celebrate Sacramento’s unique aesthetics, neighborhoods and landmarks. The exterior appearance and building structure is inspired by the beveled star in Republic FC’s crest, a symbol celebrating the city’s location as the capital city of California; tree-like structures “grow” at the stadium’s perimeter in a nod to the “City of Trees;” construction materials and proximity to light rail will showcase the site’s roots in the historic Railyards district; and site and landscape design will pay homage to Sacramento’s agricultural heritage. Draw Inspiration From the World’s Game – The design team looked to the best soccer stadiums in the United Kingdom, Germany and South America for inspiration. The Sacramento stadium borrows the concept of neighborhoods from traditional English Premier League clubs by creating four distinct stands, each with its own identity. The stadium’s East Stands will create an intimidating “wall of noise” reminiscent of the Yellow Wall at the Bundesliga’s Westfalenstadion. Inspired by the passionate “hinchada” supporter groups in South America, a separate section, entrance and club will enable Republic FC’s most die-hard fans unique opportunities to showcase their passion. The setup will enable supporter groups, like the Tower Bridge Battalion, to enter the stands together and assemble socially before and after the match. Highlighted area mine. Steepest rake is very cool. One of the things I really love about Avaya. Four distinct stands an interesting concept. Want to know more
Aaron's a hothead who knows nothing about Sacramento (obviously), but I saw this and knew immediately that I should screenshot it for posterity. 671812438908641281 is not a valid tweet id Count the ways in which is is wrong ...
Well known in DC United circles. Used to cover that team a long time ago. Forget for who. He was one of the guys camped outside the building watching the MLSPU labor negations.
MLS would be insane to ignore Sacramento but the idea of using them as a threat i.e. Los Angelos NFL effect, is a powerful possibility.
Two things: 1. The possibility of a threat can only exist in an MLS world of genuine scarcity. We know MLS is going beyond 24. That scarcity does not exist at all. Sacramento is a natural choice for 25 and beyond given the power of its market. So the idea that MLS merely is using SRFC as a threat makes little sense. (Now they may tell Miami we're moving on to Sacramento, call us when you're ready to build a stadium, but that's not a threat. I guess they could say the same to LA. But a reordering of an entry schedule isn't a threat to deny a city a team entirely.) 2. He's just dead wrong about the Sacramento market. If you think St. Louis would be a good MLS city (and I seem to recall he does), then you must also think Sacramento is a good MLS market. That's what really gets me here: Sacramento is an obvious expansion target, not the unlikely one he suggests. I get it. People - even a lot of Californians - don't know much about Sacramento. And that ignorance only grows the further east you travel. But he's talking about Sacramento like it's comparable to Fresno, and that's just dead wrong.
As long as MLS is in expansion mode, they don't need an LA. The plethora of eager markets will suffice. Once the league is full, and the first generation stadiums need to be rebuilt, having a ready-and-willing market for relocation threats will be useful. Hopefully Sacramento will have by then.
Love the new renderings, and reading all of the pieces of information about the different design elements was really neat.
I don't want to derail your thread, but if you don't think MLS is using the illusion of "no more expansion" or "if your not ready, Sacramento is" to full effect, then your not paying attention. It's mentioned from Miami to Vegas to freaking El Paso. But saying Sac isn't a deserving market or isn't ready for MLS is dead wrong.
They've admitted countless times now that they're going beyond 24. Garber has made that very clear. So I have no idea where you're deriving the view you're espousing. It's not an "illusion" that anyone has promoted in ages. SRFC itself has been actively promoting "the if you're not ready, then we are" angle for more than a year now. That's the whole point of everything they've been doing lately. That's not MLS doing that. That's SRFC. The most you can say is that MLS hasn't done anything to dissuade SRFC from that gambit. But that's not some threat which shows they're not serious about Sacramento. That's legitimate because Sacramento could legitimately enter MLS, in essence, tomorrow.
- The "wall" ends are good but the resulting corner seats look a little filled-in, like those unsold/obstructed seats at Candlestick in football mode. Just make the ends wider. This setup almost looks like the seating is separate from the outer shell, a la Oracle Arena post-remodel. - That Aaron guy is a dumbass. Sac is poor only relative to the bay, but so is most of the damn country. The TV market (as Sacpeople constantly prove to people on reddit) is comfortably ahead of several proven MLS cities, and that includes counties which are officially recognized as part of the Bay Area CSA (determined by daily commuters). - There are so many cities lined up to prove themselves to MLS that any of them can step up to be the next LA:NFL analogue/leverage. SRFC is more than ready now, and MLS would sour future investors nationwide by passing up a sure thing.
Evan Ream is on fire right now. This is worth noting. To the best of my knowledge, San Jose's MLS rights to Sacramento expire. Depending on who you talk to, there are two different dates (1/3)— Evan Ream (@EvanReam) December 2, 2015 Some say the rights expire 2017, some say 2020. Regardless, San Jose's rights to Sacramento will expire (2/3)— Evan Ream (@EvanReam) December 2, 2015 That being said, it doesn't matter. It's just another check, and I'm sure the Republic will pay it if MLS says yes (3/3)— Evan Ream (@EvanReam) December 2, 2015
This stadium design look freaking amazing.... but I'm really surprised nobody has pointed this out yet:
Several Miami papers have mentioned it, "Becks fish or cut bait" etc, I read it a month ago in the latest crazy bender idea that El Paso might get a team. San Antonio has mentioned it recently, Austin mentioned it as well. The myth of 24 and maybe that's it or Sacramento is next in line, those themes are used throughout. I'm basically saying that some reporters are not as informed as BigSoccer.
You said MLS is using this as a ploy. Now you're walking that back saying dimwitted, uninformed reporters in Miami and San Antonio are spouting it. Dopey reporters may be spreading this erroneous information. A lot of people who know little if anything about the league get saddled with writing local expansion stories. Yes, many BigSoccer posters do know more than them. And, of course, those reporters are not connected with or speaking for MLS in any way.
CM Warren asks members of audience who support stadium to stand. Almost entire room. Asks opponents to stand. No one. #BuiltForSacramento— Sacramento Republic FC (@SacRepublicFC) December 2, 2015 It was a nice moment.
Lots of interesting quotes in here about expansion and Sacramento. Grant Wahl talking to Don Garber today: http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/201...beckham-cup-lafc-qatar-usmnt-klinsmann-gulati