WCQ: US vs T & T: General Postgame Thread(R)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, Nov 17, 2015.

  1. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    I don't doubt you, but I haven't heard Howard call him that. Sounds a British-ism. How often is he called Mikey here? It sounds like what you call a kid. It harkens to the days of calling him Junior when his dad was manager, and then the connotation was not good.
     
  2. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How f'ing likely do you thing that is given the performance we saw tonight? All the MLS folk will be out of season, and the Euros will have to go to a hot and humid climate after playing through the winter in their leagues. The only weather-fit players will be the LigaMX players. He'll be back to calling in Castillo and Joe Benny.
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is this good? I'm a dumb uncultured football-ignorant American so I can't tell...

    USMNT (currently ranked 33rd) in their last 8 games against CONCACAF opponents:

    1. Draw vs 54th ranked Trinidad & Tobago

    2. Win vs 129th St Vincent and Grenadines

    3. Loss vs 40th Costa Rica

    4. Loss vs 24th Mexico

    5. Loss vs 65th Panama

    6. Loss vs 61st Jamaica

    7. Win vs 108th Cuba

    8. Draw vs 65th Panama
    2 Wins, 2 Draws, 4 Losses...
    7 of 8 games (all except Trinidad) were at home...
    The wins were against teams ranked 108 and 129.
     
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  4. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Herculez Gomez, please read here hermano.

    Correct.

    I say this without trying to be sarcastic, but thanks for doing that math and giving me something to marinate on over the long layoff from tonight till late March
     
  5. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    A main goal of January camp should be figuring out whether/how we can build a midfield around Nagbe.
     
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  6. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    The British would call him "Bradders" or some such nonsense.
     
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  7. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    On mobility, quickness and possibly even technique Nagbe has the edge. But I'm not ready to crown Darlington quite yet without seeing a larger sampling of his talents against a wider range of opposition.
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, got out-shot 13-6.

    So in the last 12 games, with 11 at home, here are the shooting stats:

    - out-shot opponents in 3 games: 1 vs. St. Vincent, 1 vs. Cuba after 6 defections, 1 vs. Jamaica with the keeper dropping balls regularly right in front of us and in a loss.

    - 8 times out-shot, 1 time even

    - shot deficits include 21-6 vs. Haiti, 25-5 vs. Panama, 13-6 vs. T&T, 16-5 vs. Honduras, 15-4 vs. Costa Rica

    It's only 2-3 down games though. We have to stop the immature reactions in criticizing the direction under Klinsmann. And what few problems there are fall fully on the players. What, do we expect Klinsmann to work miracles with them, getting them to out-play other teams in the top 10 in CONCACAF? Couldn't do it before Lord Klinsmann blessed us inferior football rubes with his presence.
     
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  9. Berg Antiturf

    Berg Antiturf New Member

    Nov 3, 2015
    I second this emotion... best post I've seen on these boards in sometime...
     
  10. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Geez, you're being so immature.
     
  11. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Haha - true in forums or other. But my experience with the British is they turn everyones name into an "ey." Davey, Mikey, Johnny, etc... when playing at least.
     
  12. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We have to give them credit. T&T have improved more than we have since 1989...by about a goal at home.
     
  13. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well said. There's no defending Bradley's play tonight. He looked out of it. He wasn't as bad as Phil Schoen was saying, but he was bad. He looked to be playing...whatever the opposite of playing on instinct is. Everything seemed labored, mentally, for Michael.
     
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  15. Ball Chucking Hack

    Jan 21, 2005
    Raleigh, NC
    Throw out Cuba and SV&G and you have what would be a reasonable Hex. In that hypothetical, we've played 6 of ten games. Four at home. (I'm generously considering Mexico in LA a road game.) We have three points. Say that again: with only four games left to play in the Hex (and only one game left at home) we'd have three points. Playing like we have this year, qualification is very much a long shot. It really is time to stop this now pointless experiment.
     
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  16. Poet

    Poet Member+

    Mar 13, 2001
    Toledo, Ohio
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would have liked that win but I can live with this. Decent second half and no gaffes. Finishing was trash. I like Nagbe in there, just feels like we can trust him with the ball. Looking forward to next year.
     
  17. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The team looked about as dispirited as most of us watching it...
     
  18. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Worst part of everything...

    We have to wait until the end of January for another game. :(
     
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  19. Poet

    Poet Member+

    Mar 13, 2001
    Toledo, Ohio
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, it is clear that the region as a whole has stepped it up a notch or 2. Much tougher road here on out.
     
  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Good. Watching this team sucks.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Zardes's year on the wings at LA somewhat stalled his development at forward. He has been quality at midfield, however.

    Bradley's decline has been very noticeable. I am not sure what to make of it. Perhaps it's Klinsmann's physical regimen finally wearing him down.
     
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  22. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How poorly for how long does Mike have to play until someone else gets a chance centrally?

    1) We have almost no one who can challenge him centrally as a key fulcrum but Nagbe is the rare player in this current pool who could, likely the only one and 2) we won't see how Nagbe handles it centrally against better competition until he's actually played centrally.

    The issue is the trend here. Poor performances in the WC and GC, mediocre club play and little evidence it's going to turn around for Mike. This isn't just NT form. Meanwhile, we know Nagbe is one of the top 2-3 central runners in MLS, a more natural attacker, better dribbler and probably hungrier than at any point in his career.

    Still, I'd go to a 3-5-2 as it fits our pool better and could use both Mike/Nagbe centrally. But in a 4-4-2, if you play Nagbe wide and have Mike in the space Nagbe should be, he's going to be wasted.
     
  23. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't think he was serious, and if you think it's more likely the whole region improved as opposed to just us regressing, you're being super naive We have to step it up a notch or two because we've stepped it down a notch or two since summer, possibly the World Cup with some masking friendly wins in there.
     
  24. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem with that is if Michael does not get the ball off his feet fast it will slow the attack down.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on his MLS form, Nagbe might improve the team at the margin, but nothing more than that.
     
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