I think you mean that Cedar Rapids couldn't adjust to the 6th attacker. I was at the game and the Rampage are a very physical team. The two forwards, Hewerton and Neto, look like rugby players and the entire team was pushing all game long. The Rampage are also pretty skilled with Megson and Farias, plus the GK Karpinos was saving tons of shots. At one time I looked up in the 4th quarter right before the comeback and the Comets had 32 shots with only 5 goals while the Rampage had 9 shots and 8 goals. CR high pressed the Comets most of the game and you could tell at the end they were exhausted, but it was a fun game to go to. I have seen comments stating that the overtime should have only been 10 minutes and so I am not sure why they played 15. That is on the referees and even both coaching staffs. Goes to show that even the teams and refs don't know the MASL rules. This is going to be a fun rivalry and it was good to see some traveling fans down from Cedar Rapids.
Yeah I meant Cedar Rapids. Not only should it have been 10 minute overtime but looking at the rules, there shouldn't have been a coin flip either. Missouri won the coin flip and picked possession, but the rules say home team picks the sides and away team gets the ball. Not that it mattered but just another point of the refs not knowing even basic rules. Another example were 2 footed slide tackles not being called. I specifically had to look this one up because from what they were letting it go, so I thought maybe they changed that rule again. I'd also have to go look at the replay but I'm 90% sure one of the players had 4 fouls announced in a half and didn't get his blue card.
CR protested and the league denied it saying neither team gained an advantage. Call me crazy, but I'd say Comets got a little advantage considering they, you know, won during the extra, extra time. Simple fix, they play again this year, before the next game do a shootout to decide the prior game since the game winning goal was after the 10 minute overtime. With that being said, why is it only 10 minutes?
From the MASL league office: The MASL League Office has reprimanded and suspended the officials who worked Saturday’s Missouri–Cedar Rapids game after the incorrect overtime length was played. They have been suspended for one game and the mistake will also impact their evaluation and future assignments.
When was the last time MLB, NFL, NBA or NHL changed the result of a game? Also Cedar Rapids doesn't play AT Missouri again this year. I don't know why OT is only 10 minutes. It was originally a CISL rule. I'd rather they always play endless 15 minute OTs until someone scores (which usually isn't that long).
I would of approved the protest and awarded a shootout before the next CR/Mis game if the goal was scored over the 10 min. mark. But, believe it or not, the goal was scored exactly at the 10 min. mark according to the box score. Hopefully the refs use the suspension time to get familiar with the rules! http://majorarenasoccer.stats.pointstreak.com/boxscore.html?gameid=2786439
The goal shows in the box score as being scored at 10 minutes because the software will not allow it to go beyond 10 minutes because that is the rule. The goal was actually scored after more than 12 minutes.
The only fair and feasible way to settle it is a shootout an hour or so before the start of the game in CR. Closed door finishes DO have precedence in soccer. I don't think the league will be that courageous though.
I agree, if the goal was scored after the 10 min. mark then CR should be awarded a shootout. Possibly before the next game vs the Comets. Had the refs went by the rules, the game would of went to a shootout anyway. CR just got screwed out of a possible win.
Late-July, 1983 (the "Pine Tar Bat" game). However that precedent was never follow-up, as Armando Galarraga wasn't given his perfect game after-the-fact, and Green Bay and Detroit weren't awarded wins after admitted officiating errors on Monday nights in Seattle (by the way, Minnesota and Chicago had better hope they never get a Monday night game in Seattle) then rinky-dinkass MASL sure isn't going to change a result after the game ends. Nobody can say that what would have been the last two minutes of the game would have turned out the same if there was properly 10:00 on the clock. Would one (or both) teams start playing the defenders higher, hoping upon hope to avoid a shootout (and possibly leading to odd-man transitions)? Would a free kick on the offense end bring on a sixth attacker with less than a minute on the clock? Can't say what might have happened, so you can't just re-end the game because one team got shafted. If Cedar Rapids hadn't tried to play 5 minutes of defense in the 4th quarter and actually continued to do what got them the three goal lead, they wouldn't have even gotten to overtime. Stinks, but it happens sometimes.
Both teams were given the same ability to take advantage of it. That's the lack of advantage they're talking about. It's not like one team knew they were playing 15 and one thought they were playing 10. Both teams were told and saw it was a 15 minute overtime.
For the rest of the season those refs should have to ref games in the Southwest Division and their lovely facilities. I wonder if they will get a rain/fog game in Saltillo. How do you guys feel about a Brownsville doubleheader this weekend??
Saltillo is playing in a rec center this year so weather is not a factor. Brownsville on the other hand...
I am impressed the way the league handled this. One of the reasons I got fired after last season was because of my reaction to the appalling way they handled the Dallas-Hidalgo game. They vacated the result of a perfectly kosher game, which screwed up the schedule for several teams. Then they allowed the game to be replayed as a Dallas at Monterrey 30-minute game, which is not in any kind of imaginable rule book. It was kind of like cutting off your head to fix a headache.
The one tar incident is the best example as it deals with a black and white situation that is specifically addressed in the rule book. The other examples are based on errors committed on judgement calls. 5 extra minutes in OT is not a judgement call. Game was officially over at 10 minutes of ot. If the clock was correct and a goal was scored at 10:01 it wouldn't count, this one shouldn't count either. I have no idea who would have the advantage in a shoot out and it doesn't matter. Gotta follow the rules as written.
There was an incident in the original MISL. I think it was in 1985 when Minnesota initially lost a playoff game in a Shootout to San Diego. There was some misapplication of the rules so another game was played. Someone with a better memory than me probably has the details.
The Blast had a win overturned (around 1986) against the Comets because the penalty box attendant didn't let two Comets players out on time. They replayed the game from that point when the Comets came back to town and the Comets ended up winning.
San Diego originally won in a lengthy shootout, but the MISL awarded the game to Minnesota because the Sockers used an ineligible player for one of the attempts. San Diego ended up winning the series. http://articles.latimes.com/1985-05-14/sports/sp-19252_1_sockers-misl-commissioner
the blast comets game was 1990 My high school friend and teammate was stuck in the box if I remember correctly
Does anyone know what training, if any, the MASL does with their refs? If nothing else, the head game official of the league (if the MASL even has the position) could do online webinars to review the rules & interpretation with game video examples. That is asking a lot, I know. Regarding the CR & Comets game. Surprised that neither coaching staff caught the mistake of the 15 minute OT period (instead of 10). The Comets score the GW goal after 10 minutes. The fairest resolution would be what was suggested above. Do an empty Arena (no fans) shootout to decide the game. World cup style (player can dribble prior to shooting since this is indoor) - each team designates 5 shooters. No full field play after misses. First team to get a 2 goal advantage wins. If GK fouls the shooter, a goal is awarded automatically. If tied after 5 shooters, each team designates a different set of 5 shooters. This is a case of procedural fairness. The OT should have ended after 10 minutes. Any goal scored after the 10 minute mark is invalid so in my mind, the game is still tied. The MASL won't do this anyway, because MASL. But that is my vote.
I'll go the opposite way. While the extra 5 minutes of OT was in contrast to the rulebook, the extra 5 minutes did not give either team an unfair advantage in determining the final outcome of the game. Discipline the refs (which the league did), TRAIN the refs, and move on.
I agree that they need to decide this game with a shootout. CR could of won and having a complete breakdown on defense in the last 5 min of the 4th qtr is besides the point. Yes the extra 5 min in OT did not give either team an unfair advantage, but there should of never have been an extra 5 min. in OT in the first place. I just watched the OT replay and 15 min was put on the clock and the GW goal was scored at 3:23 of the OT. Had the goal been scored within 10 min, then I would agree to give the Comets the win. But there should of been a SO according to the MASL rules. They should do a SO before the next CR/Mis game on 11/28. The MASL shootout is a 5 sec. 3 round SO and then a sudden death SO if still tied after 3 rounds. They probably wont redo it and its a shame the refs got it wrong because I have not seen an indoor soccer OT shootout in a while.