Expansion draft speculation

Discussion in 'Orlando Pride' started by SiberianThunderT, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. FootballAmator

    Aug 16, 2014
    It is very very clearly the ownership (Not that they have done anything wrong). If it was affiliated with the sounders it would have a much better attendance.

    Seattle is one of the cities that should have had an common ownership with the NWSL from the start. It has great MLS attendance like Portland and Orlando and it could have shown in the NWSL team as well.


    The question is moot right now. Not all MLS teams have great attendance themselves and so most don't want to own a NWSL team as it will not be profitable.
     
  2. warh2os

    warh2os Member

    Oct 29, 2007
    Orlando may set a trend for MLS teams wanting an NWSL expansion team. Many of the newer teams, or ones building the new stadiums, are including in their proposals, that they would be looking to add a professional women's team. So if Orlando is successful, and can do it in a big way, there may be plenty of MLS candidates when it comes time to expand again. San Jose, I believe when they presented their proposal, mentioned that to utilize the facility as much as possible with other events, one use would be to have a women's professional team.
     
  3. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It might be better to say that MLS teams that are unprofitable wouldn't want to own an NWSL team that, given the MLS team's unprofitability, might also be unprofitable. But I'm betting Houston's NWSL team has netted a profit, Portland's certainly has netted a big profit (hence its revenue sharing), and Orlando thinks its NWSL team will net a profit.
     
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  4. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    The Dash lost half a million in their first year, I have a really hard time seeing that change to being a profit even with the increased attendance this past year.
     
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  5. warh2os

    warh2os Member

    Oct 29, 2007
    #55 warh2os, Oct 25, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2015
    You could also argue that the $500,000 could include a good portion of their start-up costs
     
  6. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Potentially. Unless they release itemized expenses, we'll never know. But I kinda doubt startup fees are a large amount - I would be shocked if the startup costs were even half that. We know their stadium isn't cheap, and their attendance in 2014 wasn't that much better than that of the best independent teams.

    =edit=
    The more I think about, the more I think that half million was said to be operating costs anyway. So no startup costs included in that. I need to go find that source....
     
  7. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    And unless we see itemized expenses, we won't know how much of that is AEG charging themselves to play in BBVA Compass stadium.
     
  8. mamalia

    mamalia Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Cincinnati OH US
  9. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Ashlyn Harris unprotected, I didn't expect that. ;)
     
  10. mamalia

    mamalia Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Cincinnati OH US
    And we see O'Reilly unprotected as part of the "gentleman's agreement" for Hagen. Any other surprises? Someone had asked about allocation status last week and we were told it would be clarified with these lists... so as of now, no changes other than the players who have retired no longer represented, right?
     
  11. LucyFearsTheMorningStar

    Sep 27, 2015
    Club:
    Atlanta Beat
    Barnhart is no longer allocated confirmation.
     
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  12. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Anyone think that Orlando might try picking Kreiger and McLeod/Barney/D'Angelo to trade the latter (and maybe someone else) for Harris?
     
  13. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Why wouldn't Orlando just pick Harris?

    Edit: Ok, I see what you are saying. But they would have to work that out in advance, or it is too much of a risk.
     
  14. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Maybe. If Harris is picked in the draft, I could still potentially see Kreiger being fine staying in DC, so getting a trade for Kreiger migh be tough. However, if Kreiger is already in Harris' hometown, that's extra incentive for Harris wanting to be traded, making the deal (potentially) much easier to make.

    Either way, if either trade was going to happen, (I'm still not convinced Harris and Kreiger will be on the same team in 2016,) it would depend on Orlando picking up someone Gabarra would want.
     
  15. ForeverLOST108

    ForeverLOST108 Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Orlando
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's difficult to determine from that list who is truly available as many players may refuse to play elsewhere. Some interesting names for sure..

    Didn't realize WNY had the rights to Tatiana Coleman. As she is a UCF grad, could be good for Orlando if they can convince her to come back to Orlando from FCF Juvisy (where she has 6 goals in 6 games so far this season).
     
  16. LucyFearsTheMorningStar

    Sep 27, 2015
    Club:
    Atlanta Beat
    McLeod's status is a bit too up in the air to grab her. If she was definitely staying, its a smart move but we may not even see her in any NWSL jersey in 2016.
     
  17. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Extrapolating that idea, are there other unprotected players they might deal for someone that is protected? Given that Orlando already has two forwards, maybe an unprotected forward that could be dealt to another team that has a lot of defense/midfield?
     
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  18. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    I was planning to wander through the list of unprotecteds and look for Florida ties, since that was mentioned by the team during the intial press conference.
     
  19. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Now that all these trades have taken place and the official list is out and knowing who Orlando is going to take... I don't see much good options left for them to pick. FCKC is the only one with any real talent available that Orlando needs that's not going to have baggage (like Portland's available list) and they might have a back-room deal in place not to take any of it...
     
  20. LucyFearsTheMorningStar

    Sep 27, 2015
    Club:
    Atlanta Beat
    Seems like they're hoping offensive power (and marketability) will outweigh a lacking defense. Unless they are able to pull some new International signing
     
  21. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    So here's a rundown of the basic way the Lions were built, and we have the same architect (McDonough).

    1. Solid veteran keeper - Ashlyn Harris - check
    2. One star player to build around - Alex Morgan - check
    3. A couple of other veterans to keep things grounded - Kyle, Hagen - check
    4. At least one defensive stalwart in the middle - ?
    5. A couple of unknown talents from other countries - ?
    6. A couple of reserve salty veterans
    7. A bunch of young players with potential

    The internationals seem to be limited with apparently only two slots available at the moment. But do Mexico players count as international? Any other loopholes there? A defensive veteran available in the expansion draft?
     
  22. Calci0

    Calci0 Member

    Jun 22, 2013
    NC
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    So here's my list:

    Amanda Frisbie
    Jasmyne Spencer
    Jonelle Filigno
    Clare Polkinghorne
    Jen Buczkowski
    Katrina Gorry
    Lauren Sesselmann
    Toni Pressley
    Adriana Leon
    Bianca Sierra

    With how crazy the rules are and all the recent moves, and speculation, my list might have an ineligible player on it.
     
  23. Blaze20

    Blaze20 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Seattle Reign FC
    Sep 22, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    I see that list and all I think is ... baggage ... too much baggage.

    Amanda Frisbie - Still and unproven player. Barely saw
    Jasmyne Spencer - OK but why waste a pick on a forward when you got two already
    Jonelle Filigno - Canadian will be gone for Olympics
    Clare Polkinghorne - Might miss even more matches that US and Canadian players
    Jen Buczkowski - One step from retirement
    Katrina Gorry - See comment about Australians
    Lauren Sesselmann - See comment about Canadians
    Toni Pressley - Whatever
    Adriana Leon - See Canadians
    Bianca Sierra - OK I guess
     
  24. BigData

    BigData Member+

    Feb 2, 2014
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    So where is your list? :)
     
  25. Blaze20

    Blaze20 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Seattle Reign FC
    Sep 22, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    Here's mine. Keep in mind that I know nothing about these players background in college or if they have 6 degrees of separation from Florida.

    Lauren Lazo - Really good young defender

    Hemmings, Quon - I would have gone after Lomnicki but with her husband being close to the Chicago organization, she might not want to move. Also, I think she will be protected after Hemmings is chosen.

    Jen LaPonte - Good young defender. Don't posion your team by choosing either Pressley or McCarthy. They really should go after Axon but I think they won't because she's an international and they might want to spare poor Houston.

    Silva, Keane - Like everyone, I think either FCKC and Orlando have a gentlewoman's agreement (it's a female league so .. ) or there's just too much baggage that everyone on KC comes with.

    Sanderson - She's should be excited I guess. They should also pick Shim but I think she will be protected after Sanderson is chosen.

    Lytle, Filigno - I'm still not sure if they take Bledsoe or Keane.

    Nick and someone else

    Advise to Orlando, stay away from the Australians, they won't be around a lot. Wait until 2017
     

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