MLS Attendance Analysis: Week 29

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by edwardgr, Sep 20, 2015.

  1. bbsbt

    bbsbt Member+

    Feb 26, 2003
    Just because?!
     
  2. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean the RedBull Arena :
    Att.: 14,961.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was watching Vancouver play Dallas.
     
  4. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Red Bulls fans don't care about the supporters shield?
     
  5. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    They care less on Wednesdays.
     
  6. flippin269

    flippin269 Member+

    Aug 3, 2003
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All your examples with the exception of Sporting are NFL franchises. That's the NFL. They're all sorts of geographical crazy. You can say the same about the Cowboys, the 49ers, etc.. They'll give a team to any small town willing to offer tax dollars while keeping the most marketable name. C'mon now.

    Now as for Sporting Kansas City, great example because that is MLS. They play in Sporting Park, which is in KANSAS CITY, Kansas. Any other city in the state of Kansas, and that name would not make sense.
     
  7. EmpedoxFCB

    EmpedoxFCB Member

    Apr 20, 2009
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  9. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only time they get full house when NYCFC is in Harrison New Jersey.
     
  10. EmpedoxFCB

    EmpedoxFCB Member

    Apr 20, 2009
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For what it's worth, I didn't go to the game because of those Turnpike delays.
     
  11. charlieblackmouth

    Feb 8, 2009
    South Ward
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't understand, for the life of me, why you guys are reviled.
     
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  12. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You may not like to hear it but that's a true statement. The most highly attended MLS game the Red Bulls had was the NYCFC games.
     
  13. charlieblackmouth

    Feb 8, 2009
    South Ward
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a true statement that the only times the Red Bulls have ever had a full house were games against NYCFC?
     
  14. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For this past season, yeah. The Red Bulls got over 25K for both matches against NYCFC, not even the Chelsea match got bigger crowds.
     
  15. charlieblackmouth

    Feb 8, 2009
    South Ward
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS existed, to some people, before this season.
     
  16. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure did, I was a Metrostars fan from 96. And you have to understand that the existence of NYCFC is an indictment on how badly the Red Bulls have done in connecting with NYC. If you should be mad at anything its not NYCFC because they've finally brought a team to NYC that fans can root for and have raised the profile of the league in the city more then the Red Bulls ever have. I really wish Red Bull would do more marketing and spend you know money on the team because they'd get more then 14K for a Wednesday game if they did.
     
  17. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dan you wasting your time.
     
  18. charlieblackmouth

    Feb 8, 2009
    South Ward
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm the one wasting my time, talking to one person speaking pidgin, and a waffler trying to lecture somebody with www.redbullout.com in their signature on the failings of Red Bull ownership.

    I refuted a typical NYCFC attendance fetishist's obviously false claim--stereotypically oblivious to NYCFC's own trainwreck nature--that RBNY only gets a full house for NYCFC games; good luck finding where I patted ownership on the back for their attendance achievements.
     
  19. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe you're having a reading issue as this thread is about MLS attendance. Hence all the talk about it, Red Bulls have had a good year attendance wise but after 10 years of existence I still come across people who don't either know they exist (as a soccer team) or know they have an arena (a nice one to boot). They need to market the TEAM more in NYC and you'll get more people. I've been to RBA and its nice but everything you hear and see in NYC media is mostly about the team in blue.
     
  20. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Methinks we're straying from the theme of the thread, more importantly into something that won't be solved here.
     
  21. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    There is such an easy solution here. RB sells NY1 franchise to someone with money. That team becomes "NY Metro '96" and co-builds and shares a great new venue in the 5 buroughs with NYCFC.

    Cosmos buy the old RBA and become the primary tenant and join MLS as NY3.

    There's no reason (other than money needed) to get these things done by 2022, or 2024 at the latest.
     
  22. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I come to this late and as an outsider (which is never a good thing going into a discussion) but what is the issue here? isn't attendance up at RB Arena this year?.....even though they are spending less (but getting more) on the team? Is the notion that things were better (attendance wise) when RB spent more but won less?
     
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  23. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #323 tab5g, Oct 9, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2015
    The issue, as I see it, is about the perception of being in Harrison. That was "bad enough" when that was the best MLS could do in the market.

    But now that there is a City team in NYC (temp venue and tbd plans for a new venue all pending), that makes the location reality for RBA "look" even worse and "additionally non-ideal" (in some real and perceived ways).

    2015 (and the new neighbor) changed things for NYRB. No, those changes aren't all bad, and some of them are just "relative perceptions" anyway. Will be interesting to see if the "expansion excitement" for NYCFC holds in 2016 and 2017, and how the multi-team dynamic plays out in that market in the years ahead.
     
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  24. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #324 tab5g, Oct 9, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2015
    Note, a similar evolving perception may play out in Carson as LAFC get their "city-center" venue and likely become a true and viable competitor to LAG (in ways that CUSA never were nor could be as a second-tenants and renters in that exact same "outer" location in the LA market).

    Honestly, these (overall attendance growth trends in the biggest markets for MLS) are good "problems/issues" for the league to have and manage.
     
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  25. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    One of the main differences is that LAFC is limiting themselves severely by building a stadium smaller than Stubhub Center, and right next to a venue that's too big for them. To me that actually screams small-time more than being in Carson.
     

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