News: Dutch players at home and abroad worthy to be tracked in connection with the Dutch NT - Part 4

You didn't watch the Southampton vs United game?
van Dijk vs Martial was..


Brenet, just for the record, is absolutely shit and shouldn't be mentioned in this thread.

Tete btw is not going to contain Ronaldo or Neymar, ever. He is not that good, I think he will become a very good subtop player. like DRB, I expect more for the other two upcoming Ajax right backs, but for the next 3 - 4 years, Tete looks more than enough for this NT.

 

We were talking about how or our defenders would perform against top class attackers and with van Dijk we already have an example. Also keep in mind that against swansea there was little pressure on Southampton defence, because the midfield (and Tadic) was incredible.

Absolutely ********ing not!
I'd take even Veltman over Bruma.

 

It's funny cause we have another example : Bruma was absolutly great against Martial few days earlier.

Van Dijk had a bad game but it's not like he scored a own goal, conceded a penalty and got a red card on Martial, he just had problems like every player can have, who are the world top defenders then ? Ramos ? I can't count how many times he was shit in his career, Thiago Silva had some awful periods...

It's not really fair to judge players on their form/bad games, I prefer to judge them on their qualities and defects. Actually I see more potential in Bruma than Veltman. Bruma is strong, can mark quite well and got a certain pure speed. His passing is poor though.
Veltman passing is better but Veltman is soft, slow and inspire no confidence at all, big lack of power charisma/authority...

Knowing that we spent the last 10 years with defenders like Mathijsen and Heitinga and talways had to rely on Van der Saar/Stekelenburg to save our ass, I prefer to work with Bruma and try to get a new Vlaar rather than with Veltman. What can we try to get with Veltman ?

That's also why I mentionned Brenet here. He made horrible blunders in the past and isn't very reliable yet but I see a very interesting material to exploit. I see speed, I see power, I see grit, I see a good projection forward.

 

Bruma is definitly not quick or agile but he got pure speed, just like Vlaar. I'm sure he beats Veltman on a 100meters sprint, Veltman got no muscles to run.

To talk about our keepers and defenders performances...I agree that it wasn't that bad in 2006, even if I remember Mathijsen making a couple of fouls in the box on Drogba, using his arms many times and being lucky that no penalty was given...But it was globally ok.
2008 ? Van Der Sar was very important. Everyone focused on the goals and counters against Italy and France but he had a couple of crucial saves in those games as well. Against Russia he definitly saved our ass, Russia had 11 shots on goal, it could be worse than 3-1.

2010 the defence was bad. Van Bommel-Nigel gave a sentiment of security and we had a lot of possession but I can rembember Japan was going to equalize in the last minutes, against Slovakia Stekelenburg had a great save in the last minutes as well, we were suffering and they even scored after. Against Brazil the defence started awful and took a first goal and Stekelenburg had a great save on Kaka, it could be 2-0 before half time. Against Spain Stek had a good save again at the beginning on a header by Ramos. Two other ones on shots by Fabregas and Navas. They could score before.

2012 the defence was terrible and Stek had some good saves again against Germany, the scoreline could be worse.

2014 the team defended very well and gave few work to Cillessen, it was the best dutch defending since EC2000 and we can mainly thank Vlaar for this...

 

What about Rekik Van Dijk as CB and Blind in front of them for the last 2 qualification matches for a try?

 

I like this pairing as well.

Or even Rekik/Bruma can work as they're already familiar with each other during their time at PSV, but I see more potential in van Dijk than Bruma.

 

Ziyech involved in 25 of last 26 Eredivisie goals for Twente. I am absolutely convinced that he will be a world class player . And for once I agree with Johan Derksen , he could be the playmaker of the national team for ten years. Potentially better than Afellay , Klaassen , and all the current clique.

 

Kritiek op Blind en KNVB: 'Ze hebben Ziyech laten ontsnappen'
http://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=257420

 

Seriously, we can quibble about the positions of each other on the field , but clearly Affelay , Klaasen and Sneijder are its competitors in the Blind list. Ziyech is better than the first two named IMHO .

 

Yes, I agree for the most part. We have to draw our own lines. Dutch-moroccan talents shouldn't get any special treatment. However I do think Ziyech should have been selected months ago, he was being ignored unfairly. And he drew his conclusions based on the selection of a player like Klaassen before him (even binging back an Anita), I can see how frustrating that must have been.

I'll still follow Ziyech. He is a wonderful player to look at and I think he might be next to make it big since Afellay.. As for Morocco, unfortunately I don't think he'll last long against african player for very long.

 

Did anybody see how Amrabat played against Real last weekend ? He could definitly be a strong winger for us

 

You are talking about Nordin Amrabat right? He is a Moroccan international..

 

Is there any good article that explain what happened then?. I often hear references or allusions to that event but never knew what happened in detail, other than Davids being sent back to Holland after he insulted Hiddink.

 

Well, that's my problem with gossips like about Afellay, it is all from hearsay, but not one source we have to confirm it. It is more like the appearance for the outside world that gets translated to his socalled influence. The same thing was with Klaas Jan Huntelaar. He got a load of rubbish about his "bad influence" too. I like to stick to the facts.

 

What about Michael Kramer and Marten De Roon guy ?According echoes from Italy, De Roon realize decent performance in Bergamo

 

But he could play for Holland few years ago

 

Really interesting. It may sound a bit odd to you, but despite the apparent (or obvious) lack of a good attitude from Davids, if I had to name a player that gave his all and more ON the field like kuyt did, that one was Davids. I even remember how one time he blocked with his head a long range shot that could have easily broken a neck. Probably all the good he did on the field was overshadowed by his behavior off the field. Maybe that's why I felt he never had the recognition I thought he deserved.