Article in AS discussing Garcia Remon's tactics it's not an interview, and they're not quoting him, so it's not clear where this info is coming from, but here's what they say. By the way, much of this seems focused on the immediate future while Zidane and Solari are still out injured. There would have to be some tweaking once Zidane's back. If this is indeed his plan, I guess we'll see how it works out, although it's basically a reiteration of the tactics used against Osasuna once Solari was injured. It's a hyperaggressive approach, and seems to be a step away from what Camacho was trying to do (hmmmm...), in terms of emphasizing the defense. It's basically Del Bosque's design, except that Raul is on the wing while Zidane is injured, and there is no destroyer in the midfield.
A 3-4-1-2 eh? Something like this: Casillas Salgado-------Helguera------Samuel Figo------Beckham------Celades------R.Carlos Raul Morientes/Owen------Ronaldo With the injuries....I guess this is okay. Would Owen more than likely swap places w/ Raul than Morientes? As far as having 3 back playing defense...I don't know. I guess I'll have to see how this formation works (if Remon plans on using it against Bilbao) in order to give a verdict on it. What I'm really looking forward to is how he will (if he does) change the formation when Zidane and Woodgate return from injury. Interesting article from AS, though...
In my spare time, I've been thinking a lot about what I'd like to see. Here's what I came up with... CasillasSalgado-----Samuel----WoodgateHelguera----RCarlosFigo-------Zidane-----Solari---RaulRonaldo---- In this setup, RCarlos can use his defensive capabilities without being the last man back there. Also, the defensive mid on the side of the field without the ball (either RCarlos or Helguera) should stay back and help defend, or at least not get drawn into the top of the attack. This formation also gives Figo, Zidane, and Solari more room to work in, and Raul and Ronaldo more support via the attacking defensive midfielder. You could work Beckham and Celades in too; Beckham can take any of the midfielders places (or at least right and center), and Celades could play in the defensive midfield. Also, it gives RCarlos and Solari the option of switching, which could be useful because both are good at attacking and defending. Finally, it is more versatile: if need be, RCarlos or Helguera can move back and become a fourth back, Solari can move back into the defensive midfield, Zidane/Figo can switch with Raul, etc. Or, if we need offense, there's always this possibility... Casillas - Owen Raul Ronaldo Figo Morientes Zidane Beckham Sodaldo Guti Solari
Essentially a 3-4-1-2 like Brazil in WC02, which I have been asking for for about 9 months now When Zidane is back, ideally I see him replacing Beckham when playing at home,and hopefully not Celades or Moro/Ronaldo/Raul. When playing away I see Raul moving up and Moro being benched. I think this is the best possible formation for us. The form of Celades has really been a boon though, because it means we have 3 players who can fight for 1-2 DM places (Helguera, Beckham and Celades) and 6 players who can play at the back (Salgado, Samuel, Meija, Bravo, Woodgate, Helguera... not Pavon) in the squad.
Its a realistic formation based upon the fact that Roberto Carlos does not play his position. I wonder if it is time for RC to have to compete to be a starter.
This tactic seems to be the same one they were trying to use, but with a more tactiful approach to the game which Camacho might have been lacking. This formation of 3-4-1-2, is great. I see the D-line moving up with Helguera dropping back more so that they won't be easy to get hit on the counterattack. Carlos and Salgado will share the attacking duties depending where the ball is. Also, this will be great for Zidane when he comes back because he was totally being played too much on the left which took away from his creativity. One final point I am glad that the players will finally be able to be themselves since I think Camacho was putting the shackles on too many of the players, an example is Carlos and how little attacking he did in the Leverkusen game which made Zidane and the central midfielders too defend since Carlos was not putting pressure on the defense which is what he does best.
if im remembering correctly, i prefer the one that vdb use: carlos or salgado is still allowed to come forward but only 1 at the time, eg if carlos attacking, salgado must stay behind, vice versa. the formation mentioned here (3-4-1-2) is formed when attacking but when defending i still prefer 4 defenders plus 2 dm. as for zidane, please please put him back as trequartista, just like when he played for juve.
ya to hell with it just let all the players run amok and do whatever the hell they feel like doing....................
Well, acording to AS, Roberto Carlos is going to start on the bench. Wow... when was the last time that happened?!?!?!?!? Really, does anyone know the last time that happened? That is just fine by me... cause the best offense is a good denense... right? Or, was it the other way around? In this case, we really do have a solid back line... and when Salgodo goes forward, we have 3 central defenders. Nice! And with Raul out on the left, our left flank should still have some potency. I assume our formation will be this... Casillas Salgado-------Helguera------Samuel-------Raul Bravo Figo----------Beckham------Celades-----------Raul Guti---------Ronaldo
ive only evered heared that the best form of defense is attack, thats how real have been so successful in the past, the opposition cant score when we are on the attck can they?
I think that the answer is NEVER!!!!! We are living historic moments in the last days (If RC finally doesn't play). The two captains (Raul and Roberto Carlos) and the only ones that haves won the last 3 Champions league with Real Madrid (the other one is Morientes), being in the bench for first time.
i dont think dropping carlos would be a bad idea, it owuld just show there are no guarenteed places in this team. i think the key to everything is Zizou. ive watched all the games this season and without zizou real dont look like the same team. he was injured in leverkusen, thus a loss, and out of espanyol another defeat. maybe i am stating the obvious here but we gotta use the great man wisely. Remon should just not play him atal in the copa del rey, wrap him up in cotton wool. against lavente i think it was zizou looked exceptional, it was a generally poor performance by the team, but the man was able to dictate the game. this leads me on to my next point, is it wise to play him LM. becos he has a free role it means he drifts around the pitch, leaving the left side open, then, if carlos goes wandering, the team is ************d. personally, when evry1 is fit, id like to see solari on the left, zidane in the middle: ....................Casillas Salgado Woodgate Samuel Carlos(stil worthy of a a start for me) Figo/Becks..Helguera/Becks...Solari .................. Zidane ................Ronaldo Moro
....................Casillas............... Salgado Woodgate Samuel Carlos. Figo...Beckham...Zidane...Raul.... ..............Ronaldo..Morientes....... Something like that would be beautiful to watch. *EDIT*: Actually I've just realised that both Raul and Zidane will head towards the centre leaving the left flank really exposed with only Carlos there. So I feel it would be better if Zizi and Beckham swapped places.
i was thinking something like urs except the midfield lookds like this Beckham...Zidane...Figo...Raul
I think you have to keep Beckham and Zidane on the field, whatever the formation. The only Galactico I would ever drop would be Figo. Raul is already dropped, basically, from striker, and playing him behind strikers is a good way to kill two birds with one stone. You put an in-form striker in his place, and you also fill in for Zidane. I hope Raul does not end up like Rivaldo or Kluivert. Both of those players were in the top handful of strikers who could create their own goals before they suddenly lost form.
Backham and Zidane have been the worst two players thus far. Luckily for Madrid Zizuo got hurt. The only thing that Becks has done are two brilliant free kicks, other than that he has stunk the place. Rivaldo didn't just "suddenly" lost form. This guy was coming to his natural end. He had a two poor seasons for Barcelona and then ws brilliant for two weeks during WC02. Kluivert has never been able to create his own goals, absolutely never. He had enough trouble scoring from great assists as it was. It was a HUGE mistake by GR to leave him on the bench, especially when RB is the sub and he plays as poorly as he did today.
Replace Woodgate with Helguera, re-arrange it into the 3-4-1-2 line up, and I think we'll start scoring some goals . . . and (hopefully) winning some games. ----------------Casillas---------------- -------Salgado---Helguera---Samuel---------- Beckham------Figo------Zidane------R Carlos ------------------Raul#1------or #2--------- --------Ronaldo---------Morientes----- While Figo's got more pace, is a better dribbler and overall player, if Becks can find his form again [circa Man Utd 3 years ago], Ronnie, Moro and Raul would definitely benefit from his crosses. Though he was an unnecessary acquisition, why waste his passing abilities by playing him as a central midfielder? He stinks in that role and his time spent in that position is ruining his play for England. Besides, because Figo is a superior player, I think he'd be more comfortable in a central role compared to Becks, who gets trounced whenever a team counter attacks. And I'm glad that he's taking the majority of them this year. Maybe we'll see more classic Beckham free kicks when's he's back on the England squad. I hate to say it but I think he's a major cause of Madrid's woes. They've got to use him in a better position and make him less of a defensive liability.
Casillas Salgado Helguera/Woodgate Samuel R. Carlos Beckham Zidane Celades Figo Ronaldo Raul This is the lineup I think Real should use when everyone is back and healthy. Zidane in the middle solves the problem of the stagnated attack, able to move the ball quickly, excellent vision, in the middle of the field can really make the difference. Beckham may be happy playing in the middle but Zidane is more suited to the role, imo. The only thing is that Beckham may do more defensively but if we're controlling the ball and jamming goals down the opposition's throats it will cancel out. Out on the wing Beckham can do what he does best and would work well with an overlapping Salgado, imo. Figo spends so much time on the left already that starting him overthere is not even that much of a change. This lineup puts the greatest number of our players in their best positions.
I don't see anything wrong with this line-up. The real question will be if the players feel comfortable with the change. I honestly think that it wouldn't bother them so much. Beckham goes back to his "natural" position where, I think, he feels a lot more comfortable playing in. Zidane has that freedom in the middle to create chances for the strikers and Figo is just Figo. He plays great on either side. With crosses coming in from both Figo and Beckham, I think it will benefit Raul and Ronaldo (more so Morientes, cause he's really good in the air). The only thing that you may lose with Beckham on the right is his ability to go one-on-one with an opponent, but I think it's worth a shot to try it out.
I totally agree with putting Beckham on the right and FIgo on the left with Zidane in the middle. Beckham does play more defense than Zidane but you can deal with it by moving the backline up and with someone on the team accepting the role of DEFENSIVE mid like Makelele did. The team is lacking good shots so something needs to change and using more of a diamond formation might be what they need so that Zidane can roam the field and also Raul needs to find ways of linking up with Ronaldo because there is no reason for those two to have only two combined goals five games in. As for the defense they need to be more organized so they can stop giving up easy goals and so many good shots and again someone needs to step up and take on the DEFENSIVE mid role.
Will never work... Celades is no Viera and we will be overrun in midfield, resulting in too much pressure on the defence. For all these guys to express themselves, we need to win the ball first. For the third time in a day, I say it again, drop Beckham
Beckham unsure over future of Remon Real Madrid midfielder David Beckham is not convinced new manager Mariano Garcia Remon will be in charge for long. England captain Beckham watched Jose Antonio Camacho quit the Bernabeu six days ago to be replaced by Remon, his former assistant. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=311478&cc=5901 Nice for him to demonstrate loyalty to Perez, but at the same time, he's not showing any support for Remon. Weak.