Copa America in Portugal?

Discussion in 'Portugal' started by |--LdC--|, Sep 23, 2004.

  1. |--LdC--|

    |--LdC--| New Member

    Nov 16, 2003
    Lisboa/Portugal
    Yesterday Gilberto Madaíl told to Sportv, that he was having talks with "responsible people", about the possiblity of not only Portugal but also Spain to be included in Copa America but also the tournament to be played in Portugal, some years ago i heard this possibility, but by the voices of someone in charge of the organizations of Copa America, he said something like would be interesting to include Portugal and Spain.
    So i´d like to know what are your toughts about this subject :)
     
  2. leafster

    leafster New Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    I dunno how they would manage this. Are we going to bow out of Euro?? It would be difficult to compete in the Euro cup and then the Copa America right after. Also, I don't know how they would be able to really call it a Copa America...I mean the US and Canada won't be in it, but Spain and Portugal will? Sounds more like an Iberian cup. Another problem with holding the Copa America in Europe, is the fact that most of these latin american countries are poor and I really can't see a Peru vs Bolivia game selling out at Luz.

    On the plus side, playing Brazil and Argentina more often could benefit the NT.
     
  3. Frank Cunha

    Frank Cunha New Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    UNION TOWNSHIP, NJ
    I have to agree beside Brasil and Argentina nobody will go to the games.

    but then we got the Euro and anything is possible, I don't see these happen
     
  4. leafster

    leafster New Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    It would be kind of nice to win it though ;)
     
  5. Frank Cunha

    Frank Cunha New Member

    Sep 17, 2001
    UNION TOWNSHIP, NJ
    here we go again :)
     
  6. Roy Da Silva

    Roy Da Silva New Member

    Sep 24, 2003
    Vancouver Canada
    Great idea. The next one is in 2007, 2011, 2015, etc they changed this so that it would not conflict with Euro or the World Cup. One question that came up was why Portugal and Spain? Well very simple answer what 2 languages does the whole South American Continent speak. Spanish and Portuguese. I Think it is a great idea. We would have 3 major tournements in a 4 year cycle. Plus you do not qualify for Coppa America. So it would not effect our qualifcations process.
     
  7. leafster

    leafster New Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    I wasn't aware that they changed the years. In that case, yeah let's try to steal the Copa America away for Europa :D
     
  8. Briosa a frente

    Briosa a frente New Member

    Sep 3, 2004
    Winnipeg, (Coimbra)
    Well can you imagine the Wine ing (ich) ManU would be doing if the NT had another tournament to play in. THen we would also have to listen To Mourinho because he has four NT player on his squad. :eek: :( :D
     
  9. Hurley

    Hurley New Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    Porto
    Four?
     
  10. CrisRicHeldTiago

    CrisRicHeldTiago New Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    four?

    Tiago, Paulo Ferreira, Ricardo Carvalho...and ah.....um.....sure, Drogba I guess. We'll take em Jose!
     
  11. leafster

    leafster New Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    The fourth would be Morais but he's not on the NT.

    Arsenal are the French team
    Liverpool is becoming Spanish
    Chelsea have Portuguese written all over them
    and Real Madrid are becoming English :D
     
  12. CrisRicHeldTiago

    CrisRicHeldTiago New Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    I think the Copa America would be a good tournament to get involved in, but I think as a good way to develop our youth. It would be a good tournament for the Under 19's, Under 20's, Under 21's, or even a Select B team or Under 23's like the Olympics, to further develop and get some exposure to international competition. That would be a great benefit.

    As far as having our senior side...our best nationals...the Cristiano Ronaldo's Miguel's, Tiago's, Postiga's, Ricardo Carvalho's, etc., in a highly competitive tournament such as this...would be a grave mistake. Players have enough on their plates...with league play, league cups, champion's league and uefa cup play, Euro and World Cup qualifiers, friendlies, even promotional tournaments.
    Not only that, though this tournament is a big deal in South America...it means nothing in the rest of the world. If Portugal won the Copa America...it wouldn't be significant...after all the Copa America has little heard of tradition, limited media coverage, and a very limited following.

    But as far as having our Under 21's, 20's, even 19's getting involved...that would be alright for development.
     
  13. Portista69

    Portista69 New Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    London,Canada
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I will personally cut off my left nut if this ever goes through, players already complain of too many games. The only way it my happen is if u don't play u r national team players, just kinda throw in a second team together for this particular tourney!
     
  14. leafster

    leafster New Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    I think any tournament that featured Brazil, Argentina, Spain and Portugal would draw a lot of attention. There are a lot of people in Latin America and the addition of two European teams would likely increase the amount of the interest coming from Europe.
     
  15. leafster

    leafster New Member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    It does seem unlikely to ever occur but it has to be taken into account that Spain and Portugal are always looking for ways to increase their influence in South America and don't forget those Nike sponsors. It's all about $$$.
     
  16. Portista69

    Portista69 New Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    London,Canada
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Would u want to see a star like C.Ronaldo burn him self out at the age of 25, that's whats going to happen with all these torney's.
     
  17. Roy Da Silva

    Roy Da Silva New Member

    Sep 24, 2003
    Vancouver Canada
    There is no need to include Ronaldo. in this tournment. L Ronaldo and Rolindinho did not take part in this years Coppa America
     
  18. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Jesus, even the people who are against this are against it for the wrong reasons (player fatigue gimme a break)

    This is Garbage. Copa America is for S-O-U-T-H A-M-E-R-I-C-A Languages of origin (Only time I'll say this about the two languages) BE DAMNED. How would you like Japan in the euro? seems ubsurd? so does this. Develope the youth in this tourney? great idea let's crap on this some more, how about new rules too? while we are brainstorming ways to ruin futebol in ways that even America would be proud.
     
  19. |--LdC--|

    |--LdC--| New Member

    Nov 16, 2003
    Lisboa/Portugal
    First of all i want to remember some of you that Copa America is the oldest tournament in the world with national teams competing and have 3 WC champions, so its a very respectable tournament.
    About Portugal and Spain being included, the organization of Copa America already invites nations that aren´t from South America, even South Korea was called one time?! i believe, despite all this no one in the world can forget the link between Portugal, Spain and the Americas.
    The attendances are reasonable even in the last Copa America in Peru, if a Copa America was held with all the superstars from Brazil, Argentina, Portugal and Spain i am sure that the attendances would be even bigger, in many nations of South America there are large communities of Portuguese and Spanish, Portugal have 1,5 million between Brazil and Venezuela, not counting the descendents... Spain also have huge communities in other South American nations.
    If the tournament was held in Portugal or Spain obviously the support for the South American teams would be smaller, but in Portugal for example there are almost 100 000 Brazilians, in Spain there are large communities of Equatorians, Colombians, Argentinians etc
    The only big problem IMO was the number of games, not because it would be excessive but because the players and the coaches would find this excuse very easily, this tournament doesn´t involve qualification and would at maximum involve 6 games to be played, even if we went without some top players i sure we would have a decent squad, but i think the possibility of playing against Argentina, Brazil and Spain would be enough to encourage the top players to participate.
     
  20. Força Sporting

    Sep 29, 2002
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I can't see how this tournament would be good for Portugal. Many of the top players do not play due to travel constraints and fatigue. Also, it's a South American tournament - heck, Brazil was founded by the Portuguese and most of the Spanish speaking countries trace their roots to Spain, but that isn't reason to invite Brazil or Argentina to participate in the Euro tourney, right? I don't even kow why they invite Mexico to the Copa, seeing as they are North American. I would really shoot down any chance of Portugal in the Copa's/ It just doesn't seem right to me.
     
  21. NoNameBoys

    NoNameBoys New Member

    Apr 28, 2004
    A Catedral
    I really don't see this happening. Besides the fact that the Copa is not a very popular tournament outside of South America, the players play too many games as it is. They'd just get burned out and then we, the fans, suffer through boring games.
     
  22. pololo

    pololo Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Sweden/Stockholm
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    It's a nice idea but very unsure to see it happening,but inviting Portugal and Spain to South America is another thing.
     
  23. Briosa a frente

    Briosa a frente New Member

    Sep 3, 2004
    Winnipeg, (Coimbra)
    Spain and Portugal would, Like S. Korea, be invited to play in the Copa not the Copa coming to Europe.
    Like other Posters I think this is a s**t idea. it is just another Sponcer trying to make money and not thinking of the logistics.
    I can just see the next Headline USA, Canada to play in the Euro. after all We here owe our origins to the European nations that created us. :confused:
     
  24. El Ardillo

    El Ardillo New Member

    Jul 15, 2004
    Delaware
    i think it'd be cool. for two reasons:

    A) i'd be able to watch it with ease on telemundo/univision
    B) more portuguese and spanish soccer...the two best in the world. :p
     
  25. ohou

    ohou New Member

    Jun 22, 2003
    glendale, ca
    1. Logisticly difficult as there is already EURO and EURO qualifications. As many have stated, do you really want to burn out the players?

    2. Sending the B team doesn't make much sense either. Doing so would "cheapen" the tournament. A couple years ago when Argentina pulled out of the Copa America in Columbia due to safety concerns (not sure if the concerns were valid, as nothing negative happened). Obviously, the Argentines saw it as something that is not too terribly important. They don't need another country to treat it as a second-class tournament.
     

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