Emerson Hyndman

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by 32panels, Sep 3, 2008.

  1. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    But if he signs with a Euro team on these trials, they basically lose out on developing him and if he turns out to be a good player, selling him at some point for a profit. Though, Emerson could maybe just want to try his hand in Europe first.
     
  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    They could offer him a homegrown contract (Maybe they already have. I have no idea).....but that doesn't mean he'd sign it. And why would he if he has trials in Spain lined up?

    I trust most MLS youth coaches & front offices have the best interests of the players in mind. A 15 year old is pretty far away from impacting their first team. Especially a scrawny 5'0" one. He's not even on their U18/19 team yet, but their U16s.
     
  3. Otergod

    Otergod Member+

    Sep 20, 2007
    indianapolis
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the problem with the current setup of youth soccer here in the states. Just think of all the youth players who leave youth clubs here in the states for Europe or Mexico. They receive nothing in turn.

    FCD already has something like 6 HG players signed, i think luna the only one receiving PT at this point. Do they really need to add another?? And to that point, in 4 yrs when his contract is up, he could leave for free to Europe at the age of 19 if he so wishes.
     
  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    In reality.........the youth transfer issue is complicated/controversial everywhere in the world. The "big clubs" in Europe try to poach as much young talent as they can. Even clubs like Lazio are pissed when Man United can come grab Macheda from them for nothing. And even when the big clubs are required to give compensation, it really is minimal.

    Emerson isn't under contract to FCD (just like all of the kids in MLS academies not signed to homegrown contracts). He can leave at any time. Every kid in every non-MLS academy is available to any club in the world on a free transfer. Any NCAA kid is available to the world on a free transfer. It's no wonder that tournaments such as the Dallas Cup are havens for scouts.

    At least with the homegrown rules, MLS clubs now can lock up a number of these kids. If the elite prospects are taken care of, I'm not too worried about the others for now.
     
  5. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    Even more absurd is Man Utd's story with Giuseppe Rossi. He was poached from Parma's youth team and all they got in return was some kind of measly compensation fee. Then a few years later he went back to Parma on loan from Man Utd. After a fantastic half-season in which Rossi almost single-handedly saved them from relegation, Parma ended up making a €10M bid for him -- a player who was theirs to begin with.
     
  6. socal23

    socal23 Member

    Dec 8, 2008
    Goal.com article on Hyndman's future...

    http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/u...us-u-20-standout-emerson-hyndman?ICID=AR_RS_3

    Clubs from the top flights in England, Spain, Germany and the Netherlands have made inquiries about acquiring the 19-year-old midfielder, but no team has been able to meet Fulham’s asking price yet.

    Last winter, Spanish clubs Almeria and Elche attempted to acquire Hyndman on loan, but were both turned down. Dutch club SC Cambuur also had a loan offer rejected. More recently, German side VfB Stuttgart has been among the teams to make an offer for Hyndman.
     
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  7. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He should make that move, i think it would be great for him at Stuttgart....
     
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  8. bigt8917

    bigt8917 Member+

    May 10, 2015
    To me, Germany just seems like a better place for a young player to grow than England. England (Premier league) just seems like a place where it's sink or swim. If you're not English, or an established star, you better be a hit right away.
     
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  9. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Especially in the midfield.....very tactical game in the Bundy.....he needs to make the move and be smart about it
     
  10. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    At this stage of his career moving is probably not the best bet.
     
  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I think another year of significant playing time at Fulham would be superior right now to sitting on the bench at a "bigger" team in the Bundesliga. Nothing wrong with Fulham. They just sold another one of their youngsters, Patrick Roberts, to Man City. They're becoming a little bit of a youth factory (by English standards).

    Still, its nice to know that our youngsters are coveted in this manner.
     
  12. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    What incentive does Fulham have to play a player who they know is going to leave after the season?
     
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  13. bigt8917

    bigt8917 Member+

    May 10, 2015
    Stuttgart has talent, but it's not Bayern where they are so flooded with great players, that you have to get the table scrap minutes regardless of talent. He actually would have a shot at getting playing time there, provided he shows well in training.
     
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  14. bigt8917

    bigt8917 Member+

    May 10, 2015
    #114 bigt8917, Aug 4, 2015
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    Winning, coach's job security, promotion to EPL. Football is strictly a business in Europe, not a cronies system like US Soccer. Brek Shea even said that.
     
  15. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    im not so sure about that, the tactical game in the bundy is wayy ahead of the Championship. He might not get the minutes this year but i just dont like the development in any area of the EPL...i mean what dominant mids have come out of the academies there? you have a couple of decent ones but nothing that comes to mind as a great player.....on the other hand, the Bundy is full of talented mids....especially the distributors like Hyndman, and i think their youth setups and general academies are far beyond the EPLs
     
  16. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Hyndman isn't Messi though. Under a circumstance where he wasn't on the last year of his contract, maybe he could see some minutes this season, but he doesn't seem important enough that going with other options that will be there for the long term would be detrimental to their ability to win games.

    This seems like a tough situation for Hyndman. I hope he gets a transfer soon if he isn't going to sign a new contract with Fulham because I don't think he'll be seeing the field for the first team much under his current circumstances.
     
  17. bigt8917

    bigt8917 Member+

    May 10, 2015
    Not Messi, but who's going to uproot him for playing time based on merit? It's obvious from reports that he's seen as a valuable young player by the club, which means that he's contributing to their success. How can a coach who is trying to make sure he keeps a job, going to risk the success of his team because someone may or may not be back in a year? You do know that in England, coaches are fired more frequently than anywhere else. Even more than the NFL.
     
  18. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he playing with the U-21's over the weekend on the same day that the first team was playing a friendly?

    I hope he plays, but reality is that after he came back from U-20 WCQ, he didn't even make the bench once for Fulham. I just have not gotten the sense that he is a lock starter or lock to get minutes in that midfield this season. I think he could, and I think his chances of getting some playing time would be a lot higher if he wasn't in the last year of his contract.
     
  19. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
    Hes with the U21s because he hasnt signed a new contract, same with Dembele.
     
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  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    As somebody has said, Fulham's only goal is to win games and get promoted. The coach will play the players he think will get them to the premier league.

    I actually don't know Hyndman's contract details, but I don't actually see an incentive for them to sell him right now. Like say, an MLS team, Fulham doesn't need the money. They're not selling Hyndman to "balance the books."

    I understand the argument for Hyndman to move to the Bundesliga from our viewpoint as American soccer fans, but I don't really see an argument for why Fulham should sell him. A club like Stuttgart will need to be submit an offer for him that they can't refuse. Its possible that will happen.

    [IF Hyndman is about to enter the last year of his deal, then it would make sense. Sorta. It doesn't help them win games. Perhaps it makes more sense to see where the team is at in January. If Fulham are in promotion position, perhaps folks will have a different idea about Hyndman leaving. If they're in the position they were last season, then Fulham can sell some pieces. Although selling your best players doesn't help your promotion chances in subsequent years. You get in this cycle that a lot of Championship clubs do.]
     
  21. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
  22. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I think it'd be operating with a false perception to think he's one of their most important players. There just hasn't been any indication that he is. I think he could be in contention for minutes, but if he was so important that they couldn't afford him not being in the lineup, why did he play with the U-21's over the weekend on the same day that the first team played? It just seems like a situation where they are holding him hostage. They could use him, probably would like to, but he's not vital to their first team, so their way to try to punish him is to send him down to the U-21's. Maybe it works and he signs a new contract because he doesn't want to deal with this situation or maybe he moves to another team before the end of the transfer window. It wouldn't be the worst thing for him to spend the whole season in the U-21's, but I think he's too good for that league.
     
  23. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    They sell him now because it's good business. Any transfer fee will be lower during the winter break and gone next summer. The fee can be used to help buy a player who can help them win over the next few years. Why spend time integrating a player this year who will be gone at years end? This all is based on the assumption he isn't going to sign another contract.
     
  24. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Why would they sell him? He probably will not ask for huge wages and his value in the transfer market will only rise over the years because of how young he is.
     
  25. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles

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