Julian Green (Bayern Munich): In-N-Out: Julian Green on loan at Hamburger SV

I understand that Green is still young, but he's going to playing in the 4th division of Germany, a league he already played in extensively as an 18 year old and was fairly dominant.

This is at best, a stagnant career move, and for me, a negative one. He really should be realistic, and leave Bayern either permanently or on loan again (the former would probably be more beneficial as his new team would have incentive to develop him).

I also think Klinsmann deserves some blame because I think Green's ego got raised substantially by his presence on the WC roster, and prior call ups.

Cyle Larin looks like a better prospect than Green right now, which would have been insanity a year ago.

 

True as this is, he also shouldn't rush into anything. There are plenty of worse situations than being a reserve team starter in one of the world's best organizations.

 

I really think he should have taken the loan. His competition, guys like Gaudino and Hojberg, have already gotten significant Bundesliga minutes. He should go to a place that's NOT Hamburg, and use last season's lessons as fuel to focus on football.

 

At least he will be training with the first team. His situation can always be reevaluated in the winter transfer window

 

Yes. Pedro of Barcelona and now maybe Manchester United was still a Barca B player at 22 before he was promoted. Green seems kind of similar to him, hopefully he does as well.

 

Gaudino and Hojberg are both CMs - Gaudino is ultimately supposed to become a CDM - and the secondary positions for both are AM or RM. Green is a nearly pure LW. They're no competition to Green. Even if they were, given his career trajectory and his behaviour, could anyone say that he's competition for them?

Green's competitors (from last season) are Riberry and Sinan Kurt, who's about a year younger, plus whoever comes through from the youth teams. As @Suyuntuy said, there's going to be a lot of the latter.

 

Staying with Bayern can be quite good. If he's not totally messed up his situation by the end of March. he can be playing for the first team by April, since by then they usually have already nailed the title.

They call up young prospects and veterans in some of those games. It's one of the nice things about being in a one-club league.

 

One club league...... Like MLS?

 

Bayern has won six out of the last ten BuLi titles. The Galaxy has only won four MLS Cup finals.

 

Barca B plays in a real league, and if you don't make it to the first team you will probably be sold to a top team r decent team elsewhere. It's not really comparable to being a reserve with Bayern.

Anyway, I think it's clear that Green isn't good enough for Bayern. Playing in reserve games wont help to flesh out his real level.

 

Yea like Comoesa said Pedro played 2nd division Spain which is a much higher level than 4th division Germany.. Idk I hope for the best but he's definitely stagnating there

 

Is he still training with the first team? Over on his transfermarkt forum they are saying he isn't.

 

He isn't. He trained with the U-23 team today. Sinan Kurt and Gaudino, young first team players, who were sent with Green to play for the U-23 game did not train with the him today because they are still regarded as first team players and will train with the first team.

Nach Illertissen ist vor dem #Amateurederby! Impressionen aus dem heutigen Training der #FCBAmateure. #MiaSanMia pic.twitter.com/MBemiglFXE

— FC Bayern Campus (@fcbayerncampus) July 30, 2015

He's now a reserve team player so that's where he'll train. He may still got called up to train occasionally with the first team.

 

Sorry I was under the impression he was.

 

Actually, that's not correct. Barcelona B spent a few years in the 2nd division recently but was at a lower level while Pedro was there.

In any case, the point I was making wasn't that Green has a future at Bayern. I'm not particularly hopeful about that. My point was that the environment at Bayern isn't a bad one for him to continue to work on his game. He's still younger that most of the players appearing for their reserve team.

 

He could be in way better circumstances, of course. But for a reserve demotion, this is not the worst place in the world to have it happen.

 

Not really. He's average, they have plenty of 17-20 year olds. Out of 27 guys, only two are old (27 years old), then there's one 23, two 22, and four 21.

Ordering by DOB, Green (06/06/95) falls between Puchegger (05/04/95) and Oikonomou (08/23/95). That means there are 14 older than him, and 13 younger. So he'll be smack right in the middle.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-bayern-munchen-ii/startseite/verein/28

 

Of the 12 other players who actually appeared in the first game, 8 are older than Green, 4 are younger.

 

When he was Green's age he was playing in the 4th level of Spanish soccer.

 

Getting the Deadspin treatment:

http://screamer.deadspin.com/goddammit-julian-green-probably-just-sucks-doesnt-he-1721181943

 

The anti-SI-cover jinx. Sweet! Bayern Munich and the USMNT are set at F/LW for the next decade.

 

I wish the Werder Bremen rumor had been true and Green was willing to accept a transfer there. He would've been going to a team that he would have a realistic chance of breaking in with at some point (unlike Bayern). He would also have the opportunity to play with Werder Bremen II in the 3.Liga until he was ready for first team action, a good level for him at this stage in his development and an obvious step up in competition from the Regionalliga, a league in which he already showed he could dominate as an 18 year old.

But alas that's not the case. Green cost himself a season of development last year due to too few minutes because he refused to play for Hamburg II, and his development will stagnate again this season due to playing at a level that won't be challenging enough for him at this stage in his career (unless he accepts another loan, to a higher level than the Regionalliga, during the winter transfer window).

So because of all that, I'm hoping Bayern will slap him with the cold hard reality of things next summer: tell him outright that he has no future with the Bayern first team, and thus he and his agent can look for another team or he will have to deal playing and training exclusively with the reserves until his contract expires.

 

Bayern releasing Green would probably be the harsh reality he needs, unfortunately.

 

In the context where it was said, I think it's fair to describe the Bundesliga as a one-team league.

Last season, Bayern was ahead by 15 points before taking their foot off of the gas, and two weeks before this season has even begun, they're already prohibitive favorites to win another title. The likelihood that anyone will keep pace with them is low.