News: The Other National Teams Thread

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by DRB300, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. TFC Ajax

    TFC Ajax Member+

    Mar 20, 2011
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    No thank you. JDG2 made it quite obvious that he was willing to work both sides of his multi-nationality to maximize his chances of playing in a WC. I'd rather not see him play international football for any nation
     
  2. RobinVanRobben

    May 1, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The artificial surface issue is only taking steps backwards here in recent times. I understand players reluctance.
    JDG2, I really do agree with you, TFC Ajax. It was more to make a point, even if only a very small one.

    I do not agree that the strategy of the USMNT was/is worse than doping. I do not see a foreign substance injected for performance enhancement, I see role models for youth. An American is leading my local club team and the youth here are running around with bald heads tearing up the midfield. I understand the club/country difference, but the role model and development result is the same. Oh yeah, and, drugs are bad mmmkay!
     
  3. TFC Ajax

    TFC Ajax Member+

    Mar 20, 2011
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Surely Belgium has some real fullbacks. I find it crazy that even with Kompany and Vermaelen out, Vertonghen and Alderwiereld are still played at fullback instead of CB
     
  4. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    One big question, Belgium?????????????????
     
  5. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Belgium are looking like the biggest waste of talent. God that team is loaded from front to back nearly and they can't even beat Wales (and I have a soft spot for Wales, I like a lot of their players, but they are not a top team).
     
  6. Pirlopurity

    Pirlopurity Member

    Jun 12, 2015
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Loved reading the comments here re Italy during Euro's. Thanks guys! Stopped by to say I loved your team and was happy you beat Latvia yesterday. Holland is most people's second team, great country! Very unlucky to lose that Friendly to the USA last week. 3-2 up and a clearance hits the dutch player and comes off the cross bar. Then at 3-3 De Jong's follow up also goes out off the cross bar and the other end, goal USA. Even when you lose, you lose playing great football.

    Hope you guys have a massive Euro 2016, unless you play Italy of course.


    Go Holland!
     
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  7. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  8. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Seeding for WC 2018 qualifier confirmed.

    Pot 1: Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Romania, England, Wales, Portugal, Spain, Croatia
    Pot 2: Italy, Slovakia, Austria, Switzerland, Czech Republic, France, Iceland, Denmark, Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Pot 3: Poland, Ukraine, Scotland, Hungary, Sweden, Albania, N Ireland, Serbia, Greece
    Pot 4: Turkey, Slovenia, Israel, Republic of Ireland, Norway, Bulgaria, Faroe Islands, Montenegro, Estonia
    Pot 5: Cyprus, Latvia, Armenia, Finland, Belarus, Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Lithuania, Moldova
    Pot 6: Kazakhstan, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Georgia, Malta, San Marino, Andorra

    Possible group of death: Netherlands, Italy/France, Sweden, Ireland, Belarus, +Pot 6. Ouch.
     
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  9. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Luxembourg are not the automatic 5-0 pushover they once were either
     
  10. Simmer

    Simmer Member

    Feyenoord
    Netherlands
    Oct 23, 2009
    Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Romania & Wales in Pot 1?
    Are those teams really better than Italy and France?
    I understand they probably did well in the qualification so far but it still doesn't feel right.
     
  11. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Italy bombed out of the WC but France did OK. I agree this is really weird.
     
  12. Simmer

    Simmer Member

    Feyenoord
    Netherlands
    Oct 23, 2009
    Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Yep and the fact that Italy at least qualified for the WC while Wales and Romania could not.
     
  13. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    #838 Epitome990, Jun 29, 2015
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2015
    Guidetti is still quite the character. In terms of personality, Sweden have their successor when Ibra retires.

     
  14. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I hear things like Mexico getting help from the ref in the CONCACAF Cup. One of the games ending in a bullsh*t penalty, while the Robben one against them was a 50/50 case. Maybe even more. Look at the drama after that decision, look at the things now. Something might not be totally right here.
     
  15. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    What a horror show for Mark Geiger the US match official last evening. You can see clips of the three calls that determined the outcome of the match HERE. He's supposed to be the best the US has to offer and everyone on the Referee Forum on Big Soccer was touting him for last summer's WC final. With calls like the ones last evening, he will be lucky to even be invited to Russia. Take a look see!!!
     
  16. El Cid

    El Cid Member

    Jul 4, 2006
    DFW, Texas
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll give you a better reason: who the hell anointed Sunil Gulati dictator for life? That's problem #1. He's not an executive. He's an academic with no mgmt experience. Just the wrong guy. That kills the org chart, discourages coaching talent and keeps the MNT off the radar. A better executive would be someone like Jerry Colangelo.

    The perception among some potential US MNT players is that there is a tremendous amount of regional bias in the squad selection and the team is run by FC Hollywood. Bringing in Germans works in the short run, in the long run it kills opportunity for local talent. Watch carefully in media coverage and you'll see that the German players are their own clique in the US camp. I'm sure that's great for morale.

    Last problem is a combination of the fact that the top flight athletes in the US are choosing other sports, and as you mention, the development resources are poor to disastrous. Not helping issues are the fact that US College programs are a hindrance to growth, but too entrenched in the culture to sidestep.

    IMO, there is a lot to be said for being a smaller, focused nation in football.
     
  17. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    @El Cid - I agree 100% with all of your comments; in particular the statement about college programs. These are really a hindrance. Until, there is a unified youth development program that is linked to professional clubs it will continue. Poaching foreign trained players did not originate with Klinsman. Going back several WCs we had Dutch trained Earnie Stewart and German trained Thomas Dooley. I believe they were the first Euro-trained players for the US NT.
     
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  18. El Cid

    El Cid Member

    Jul 4, 2006
    DFW, Texas
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You certainly don't want to discourage getting the best players on the roster. But I would argue that the US peeked in 2002 and has arguably gotten worse since then. most MLS rosters are thin for US grown talent. The national team is a reflection of that.

    You're 100% right and That challenge of a youth development system could easily be overcome, but I've seen and heard enough of Gulati to believe he is a key obstacle. The top brass is too worried about endorsement deals to care about player development. Much of what made college basketball irrelevant in the US is happening in US football..
     
  19. TFC Ajax

    TFC Ajax Member+

    Mar 20, 2011
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Money is also an issue as much as lack of development. Top skilled athletes in north america won't pursue a career in soccer, where the domestic league has a salary cap of ~3.5m, and instead will pursue a career in NA football, baseball, basketball, or hockey, where the real money is.
     
  20. KickballWizard

    Jun 11, 2013
    What exactly do you mean by this?
     
  21. KickballWizard

    Jun 11, 2013
    Speed was never Freddy's thing. He's always been very slow.
     
  22. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    The European Championship is not about who you want to win ... it's about who you want to lose ... so who do you want to lose?
     
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  23. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Spain and Belgium
     
  24. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    One of the most fond memories of an end tournament for me was actually 2002. I did not resent anybody to be honest, but I did develop a favorite in South Korea also due to the Hiddink connection and the absolute craziness in support from the nation. I will just be looking at the games and see who has the spirit and enjoy the football. I do think there will be very bad games due to the expansion and so I will not watch all 90 minutes if it is rubbish. I look at the stories that develop that I can now follow more clearly now my team will not be there (though there is still a small chance).
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Depends on who qualifies but I am content with Belgium and France. Preferably Western Europe.

    Spain and Germany out asap please.
     

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