US v Jamaica Post Match

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Editor In Chimp, Jul 22, 2015.

  1. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Honestly, in the first half I thought he was awful. Much of the lack of connection through the midfield was on him.

    Then again, I generally do not like him in the midfield. Linking is not his game, that's not where his head works. He really only comes into his own in the final third.
     
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  2. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Good point, we should give JK another extension since he clearly needs more time to build the team.
     
  3. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Everyone struggled in this tournament.

    Good game by Jamaica. Those who keep saying MLS is better than or equal to the C'ship might want to reconsider. Jamaica went out and stocked up on C'hip/EPL players to really upgrade their quality of play especially in defense and midfield.

    JK should have started with Beckerman shading right-central midfield with Bedoya and Evans. Beckerman shading left-central midfield with Zardes providing cover was the critical tactical mistake in the match.
     
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  4. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    He and AJ (and oddly enough FJ) don't seem to be on the same page, for certain.
     
  5. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    How is it perplexing? Five countries take the women's game seriously and we were one of the IF NOT THE first in line. It makes sense that we dominate. Soccer is the like the 6th sport for men on the pro level in this country.
     
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  6. Pass-n-Go

    Pass-n-Go Member+

    Jul 5, 2008
    It was a loss and it sucks.
     
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  7. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I said from the outset that he and AJ are an either/or proposition. I do not like them together. Pairing them became a solution when Jozy was removed. As usual, Klinsmann had no plan B.
     
  8. Nyghtewynd

    Nyghtewynd I'd Rather Walk Alone

    May 30, 2006
    St. Louis, MO
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. Dempsey was crap tonight. Too reckless, too many pointless touches, and simply not good enough. This was the last major tournament he could have had an impact in, and he wasn't good enough tonight.
     
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  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I'm not convinced JAB & Alvarado were the main problem. Our midfield was terrible. Bradley doesn't seem like a big match guy, The pressure gets to him. Too many missed passes when calm was needed.

    Also, my initial impression of Klinsmann was that he was a conman. I always opposed his hiring. He's the sort who convinces people with what he says, not with what he does. For the sake of the program, I fought my instinct and tried to see things from his perspective.

    Because, if it's true what my gut tells me about the guy, we're screwed. Really, really, really screwed. To the point that we cannot even get rid of him.
     
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  10. smokey

    smokey Member

    Nov 21, 2000
    Cali
    What have we learned from our Gold Cup Experience?
    1. MB is neither technically good enough (passing, ball control, and dribbling) nor athletic enough (Speed, Agility, Strength) to be effective in his role.
    2. An in-form JA or similar player who can cause problems 1 on 1 due to descent size, strength and speed is important. AJ, Dempsey, Zardes, and MB are easy to defend against.
    3. JK can not properly assess an opponent. He can not assess his own teams strengths and weaknesses. He can craft an effective game strategy. He can not properly prepare a team of talented professionals so that they play with confidence and according to a plan. In general, we have had a tradition of coaches that produced a result greater than the collective talent we had at the time. At least for a time. JK has reversed this tradition unless you count worthless friendlies in Europe.
     
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  11. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    We could get rid of him. The money is there. The question is the lack of will. Gulati really likes this guy. Then again, hiring coaches has never been his strong suit.
     
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  12. Alain10

    Alain10 Member

    Jun 13, 2012
    Y'all know Klinsmann is not gonna get fired even if he just caused Gulati to shit blood today.
     
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  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Well, I have this feeling that his extension has clauses that make him virtually un-fireable.

    Basically, to get rid of him, we'll have to bankrupt the program and start again.
     
  14. futbal4eva

    futbal4eva Member+

    Jan 3, 2010
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    AJ makes his gimme header to tie the game and we are having a different conversation...but yeah he didn't.
     
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  15. Carraway

    Carraway Member

    Jul 24, 2005
    SoCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Why is this perplexing? Soccer is hard, it's the world's most popular sport, and there are others that are better at it then the US is. That's why I am a fan- they aren't always expected to win.
     
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  16. NoSix

    NoSix Member+

    Feb 18, 2002
    Phoenix
    Just read it was also the first USA home loss to a Caribbean opponent since 1968. Another in the long line of distinguished JK firsts...
     
  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    "If we are 2 goals down with 10 mins left we know we can score 2 goals. Why? Because I'm subbing Gordon in!"
     
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  18. Wessoman

    Wessoman Member+

    Sep 26, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First of all, for some people who asked---There is a third place match. The reason behind this was because of the Copa America Centenario. Since it was largely expected that USA and Mexico would be in the finals, the third place game was added to help determine the other CONCACAF teams that were to go to the 2016 Copa America.

    And speaking of that, if it does indeed happen (I say 75% chance), it would be a nice tournament to break in the new coach...

    But--

    Klinsi needs the 3rd place match more than anything. We don't know..Mexico may (snerk) lose to Panama (Which would rule) and we bump another dos a cero on them. Klinsi gets his one shot to the Confederations Cup. But if we play poorly or lose in the third place match, heck, he's toast.

    As for the "Bob Bradley was fired for less." Theory--It does have merit. Then again, Klinsi has looked far more impressive than Bob Bradley playing in Europe. And considering where the next World Cup is, I am not too quick to want to put JK's head in the guillotine just yet. Also, Bob Bradley's team played just as crappy as JK's team, only to go up 2-0, and then get hammered for 4 unanswered goals using the worst sub in US Soccer history.

    What it boils down to is we still need a complete coach and system. Bob Bradley's run and gun style was fun, but whe needed possession to shore up a lead (Especially in a cup final), we got hammered. Likewise, Klinsi is great at possession football, but we can't use our athleticism when we need to because of stupid drills and formational changes that maximize passing over anything else. When we tried to run and gun, Bob Bradley style, against Jamaica, we looked terrible. Just as we looked terribad watching Sacha Kljestan try and play it on the ground against Brazil and get schooled.

    So, if I was Gulati, I start making calls. Kreis is first on my list. Anything less than a completely crushing and perfect game in the third place match, and it's over.
     
  19. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    I cant see him getting fired because Bradley coached 3 Gold Cups. If thats the bar to grade on.....I would say he will be comfortable until at least the playoff. Seems realistic when you look at past coaches tenures.
     
  20. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    It has at least a couple of years (probably much longer) since I last posted, and it took a pathetic, no 20th - century, showing for me to say something. ... longs for the days of the 3-6-1. ... the next thing I expect is for someone to tell me Sunil Gulati is running US Soccer.
     
  21. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  22. fldore

    fldore Member

    Jul 12, 2015
    Whitehorse, YT
    Club:
    Jacksonville United FC
    The first goal allowed was a pathetic display of defense. Couple that with all the botched passes and bad plays by Brooks and he needs to sit for awhile. He isnt ready. Everyone says Omar isnt fast enough or quick enough but Brooks isnt exactly nimble on his feet either.
     
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  23. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    As with all upsets, there was an element of lucky/unlucky bounces. Bacon at the 6. Mattocks's goal off the throw in kissing both posts before rolling in. That call at the 18 that very rarely gets called.

    That doesn't excuse a tournament that was poorly managed from the outset. It could be framed another way: if Haiti had a finisher, or Honduras hadn't been such crap lately, we could be having a very, very different discussion.
     
  24. Brian Chenault

    Jul 6, 2013
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    It is a different game if we take any of the like 10-15 decent attacks in the first half, shitty finishing happens sometimes and fluke goals against the run of play do also. I wanna new coach because im not a fan of 2 cycle coaches but the level of "great untapped soccer genius" in this thread is just astounding.
     
  25. GoBigBlue88

    GoBigBlue88 Member+

    Feb 11, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    And all tourney long, it was a strategy, really. Not just the final ten minutes here. That's what aggravated me. Why the sudden identity change / regression to Bob Bradley ball?
     

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