Miami Stadium News (Including Howler Article, and New Developments at Marlins Park Site)

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  1. tigersoccer2005

    tigersoccer2005 Member+

    Dec 1, 2003
    North Bergen, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Well then it becomes a game of chicken i guess---how badly does the city actually want that space developed and generating some sort of revenue for the city? If Becks says no and decides to pick up his ball and leave if they don't stop shoving the Miami Hurricanes down his throat, then how long exactly will that piece of land just sit there empty?

    On the other hand, how badly does Becks want a stadium? Would he be willing to walk away if he felt he was getting a raw deal from the municipality or would he settle for fear of not being able to find another locale?
     
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  2. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    You will have no other gods before me, for I am FISHGOD.
     
  3. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    It looks to me like this was haggled over and then dropped, basically for lack of money. The University and/or government would have had to kick in substantial $$$ to have the Canes included here, and it looks like nobody did.
     
  4. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    The other question behind that is whether or not MLS would be willing to void Beckham's contract if it required by the city that the Miami MLS stadium take in Da U as a tenant.
     
  5. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    That would require the city advocating for a private university. On a public site adjacent to a stadium where taxpayers got fleeced b/c a former mayor didn't do due diligence and swallowed the Marlin's pleas of "Poverty!!!111!!! only to find out later that they were in actuality making money hand over fist.

    The mayor got recalled (?) shortly thereafter and lost something like 89-10%. Yeah. Kim Jung Un and Fidel Castro like numbers, except in reverse.

    No way any Miami politician will risk their career fighting for the interests of a well-heeled private university.

    And for those wondering, the site is in Miami proper, not the unincorporated part. (My aunt lives near the airport about a block away from incorporated Miami. Lower taxes, sure, but ... services???)
     
  6. terrier

    terrier Member

    May 31, 2011
    Netherlands
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    "Inter" is a fine English word. It's a verb meaning "place something, e.g. body, in a grave or tomb."

    "Inter Miami" is a perfectly well-formed sentence, in fact, if read as an imperative command. Not bad advice, either.
     
  7. joehooligan0303

    joehooligan0303 Member+

    Dec 16, 2001
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this would be a little different considering Beckham and Co. would be paying to build the stadium. It seems to me the city could put conditions on this land and tell them they can't use it unless they let UofM in. Obviously in this case UofM would have to be receptive to the idea as the city could not force them to move in. I am guessing this has at least been discussed as we have heard the pols mention UofM throughout this process several times. I am not saying that will happen, but am saying this is much different than the Marlin's situation you mention above. In this case they wouldn't be asking for taxpayer money to build the stadium.
     
  8. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    ACCent on the Int, bud. o_O

    PS. I'm capitalizing the accent on "accent" just in case you try to go find a giant I to climb. Uff, you're hard work to reply to.
     
  9. lfcli30

    lfcli30 Member

    Jun 21, 2005
    New York
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes there is. They put pressure on the city, forcing them to succumb to a ground share as a condition for the building of the stadium moving forward.
     
  10. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    UM is being mentioned b/c it's a lot more palatable to everybody to hear of a multi-purpose facility. That's always a selling point, that a soccer facility is not just 17 league games: there's playoffs, friendlies, American Rules Football, concerts, etc.

    It's not that politicians are advocating hard for the U.
     
  11. lfcli30

    lfcli30 Member

    Jun 21, 2005
    New York
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You underestimate the clout that the U has. Lots of local fans, lots of Alum to advocate for the University.
     
  12. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Do you have a link for that?

    How can a private entity put any pressure on the city? They have no leverage. How can UM say, "Hey City. You canNOT sell that property, or else we'll say... 'or else' again!"
     
  13. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Color me unimpressed. I'm not hearing much noise from those sources.

    I know that the university is the largest employer in South Florida, and yeah, there's
    a lot of powerful alums, but where are they saying that they're ready to rally in support of the U?
     
  14. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Miami Internacional Futbol Club
    Miami Inter FC

    Gets your obligatory MLS "FC" in there, appeals to the international flavor of the community and highlights the Latino/Spanish culture of the community.

    Loved that guy's design work, though I might have thrown in some pink.
     
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  15. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    UM's big prob is Ross and 17 year lease on SunLife. Until that changes the reality of UM mythical pressure is null.
     
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  16. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Who is Ross? Refresh our memories...
     
  17. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seriously- I would think that of all of the cities that MLS is realistically going to expand to, Miami is one of the best candidates for incorporating pink into their color scheme.
     
  18. Matt Hall

    Matt Hall Member+

    Sep 26, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Dolphins owner, real estate guy, seems to make a lot of money in the Miami area which he spends on UM (Michigan, not Miami). Built a beautiful business school for them next door to my office.
     
  19. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

    Aug 10, 2003
    east coast
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Interesting. Interesting.

    Ok, so this is what I've been able to piece together, and granted, this is taking a conversation at a bar w/ a drunk frat boy who had just graduated from UM back in 2012.

    UM was sitting on about $250-400 million that they were looking to spend about a decade ago. The real estate market was insane back then, and they had a choice btw investing in 2 of 3 things:

    a.) recruiting high caliber faculty (a tiny fraction of the investment) along w/ faculty housing and general real estate. The strategy was two-fold: the faculty recruitment would raise the ranking of the university academically while the investments gained money for the U. Since then, they went from about 80th to top 30!

    b.) a foo'ball stadium for the Bro's.

    c.) buying a hospital and running it (re: profits and a place for world class medical faculty).

    Remember the aforementioned President Shalala was the Sec. of Health under Bill Clinton. So no surprise that they decided to forgo the stadium.

    Not sure what the latest is as far as the hospital, but back in 2011/12 it was an economic disaster.

    Anywho... So it wouldn't surprise me if Ross played a hand in the real estate Strategery that pummeled the U (and the entire real estate market in SoFla) all while gaining a long term tenant for his shiny new stadium.

    As an MLS fan, it would have been cool to have a 45K seat stadium somewhere near downtown, and the league would probably already be there if UM had bought the hospital and built the stadium.

    But there's no way UM makes top 30 nationally if they don't buy the hospital, recruit humanities big guns big time, and make sure they have housing in what at the time was a completely unaffordable market.

    I wish I could tell Drunk Frat Boy that his degree is worth so much more today b/c he and his bro's didn't get a stadium.
     
  20. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also the brains and money behind the "International Champions Cup" that is currently pulling some MLS teams out of their regular schedule to play friendlies in a "tournament."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/20/s...dlies-into-a-moneymaking-juggernaut.html?_r=0
     
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  21. im always surprised how many people on here seem to not get that you cant build anything (stadium, shopping mall, etc.) without city councils approval regardless of whether the city is paying a dime or not.
     
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  22. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can we call them the Flamingos if they do that? :D
     
  23. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anything's better than Miami Beckham United, right?
     
  24. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Neither will be the team name, the later is just the ownership group name.
     
  25. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, was just having some fun with it. Although the organization has had the name so long I wouldn't be surprised to see it, without 'Beckham', be the team's name when they do start play. I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't be surprised by it, either.
     

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