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  1. JEN14

    JEN14 Red Card

    May 8, 2014
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    I have problems with strength in my right knee/quad. Any tips?
     
  2. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #927 Dr. Boots, Jul 4, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2015
    I am lucky in that the rehab center where my OS sends patients is affiliated with our NFL team and all our other local pro sports teams so a lot of the players rehab there and then at their facility for their team once they are released to that stage. I also have a new state of the art center at my college (which is 2 miles from my house) that I can tap into if needed, I know a few coaches and physios there.

    My left side took so much of the load to compensate for my weaker right side when doing squats over the last year that my left leg looks like the Hulk and right leg like Bruce Banner...haha. That is a bit exaggerated, but you get the idea. No matter how much isolation work I did on my right, it stalled at a specific point because of the malfunction from the arthofibrosis. I would imagine I can get that balanced once I get past the cautionary phase of just having surgery.

    That is a hell of a FS in proportion to your weight. Are you doing low or high bar BS? How about OHS? I find that FS really recruits the quads and core and OHS does great for core stability, quad/VMO, and upper back while BS is all heavy loading on the bar and posterior chain..great for hamstrings, but it kills the way my pants fit.

    Is this the same physio that you have been working with that does a lot of stuff with PL players?
     
  3. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Is this the same leg with the reconstructed ACL? If so, which type of graft did you use? I thought you went with a BPB Autograft. This is the gold standard for grafts in athletes, but it is also prone to scar build up and anterior knee pain more than other choices.

    My suggestion is to develop a team of people to work with. I would get a Functional Movement Screening or an equivalent evaluation. That will help locate areas of weakness because while your quad is showing the results of the weakness, it could be in your hips or ankles for example where you are unbalanced and it's effect is on your quad. Find a physio/chiropractor or group of them that works in Graston, Active Release Technique, and Muscle Activation Therapy. Some combination of those methods could help solve a lot of issues related scar tissue, tightness, or deactivated muscle groups.

    The most important thing to do once you have an evaluation from that team is to seek the opinion of at least two other surgeons separate from your original OS that are specialists in ACL reconstruction and revision surgery. Even if your last OS was very well qualified, a few new sets of eyes on x-ray and MRI images as well as physical evaluations will be very helpful. "The eye sees what the mind knows" and a lot of docs have trouble seeing problems in their own work or they aren't equipped to deal with complications of an initial "routine" procedure and just don't recognize subtle problems that the average person wouldn't even find troubling. An athlete of high demand will complain about stuff that is beyond most people because minutiae matters to us so much more than someone that just wants to jog in the park.

    Lastly, do your own research into what could be going on inside your knee. You know how your knee is feeling better than the docs and you know if something is wrong. Have a list of questions to ask the doctor about the "could it be" stuff and be able to have a qualified orthopedic conversation with them. They will give you more time if you are organized, you have an idea of what you are talking about and seem invested in your own recovery. They are often jaded by patients being generally clueless and saying "my knee hurts" without qualifying the statement. If you can discuss things with them cogently and with some level of understanding they generally respond well as long as you aren't coming off as if you are more medically educated then they are. Lots of doctors love to teach and explain, open that door to them in the meeting and you'll be shocked at how responsive even the most arrogant ones can be.

    If you need any help developing a list of things to ask the doc, PM me. I have a lot of documents I have prepared with questions and data that can be tailored to your issues.
     
  4. JEN14

    JEN14 Red Card

    May 8, 2014
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    My knee is fine really, I've had some problems past couple of weeks with the screw to put the graft in place, but it's not bad. My knee is solid, its just my quad strength, mainly the inner lower part.

    The quad problem is putting pressure on my hips. My right glute isn't as strong as my left either, but that doesn't concern me as much.

    I'm in a bit of pre-pre-season training at the moment, everything is fine.. The main thing is just my quad. That's where my problems come from now.. I don't want to take the thread off topic though.

    Only thing I'd like help with is exercises that specifically target the inner part of the quad. I've got tight calves so have been lifting my heel to take emphasis off and I've been having some decent success with that but it needs more. Lunges etc are uncomfortable mind, and my knee cracks when I do it. But I don't see that as structural problems, more strength ones which then put extra strain on the knee joint.
     
  5. soulstar89

    soulstar89 Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    LONDON England
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    your leg compensation sounds like mine. my right which i had op on just gets bigger and bigger while left is left is the dust.

    you have a great setup! great physio's are so hard to come by and rehab center's. the only top class rehab center back then was in france.

    my bs are high bar i last did 180kg but then the next day my lower back felt horrible. my lifts are:
    FS
    BS
    FULL CLEAN
    POWER CLEAN
    SNATCH
    RDL
    DEAD LIFT
    SINGLE LEG FS LUNGE

    ive not really got into OHS. i normally warm up with doing OHS with just the olympic bar. ill have to add it in.

    i found doing 3reps x 5 made my body soooo much stronger. before i could hardly FS 70kg without going deep.

    yes its the same physio true god send as i was going to have a sesamoid surgery but he was against it. once the sesamoid is removed in your toe... game over your never have the same power off that toe. i actually rang him to get his advise while at the consultant.

    how long do you have to rest before rehab starts?
     
  6. Alex57910

    Alex57910 Member

    Oct 28, 2013
    JEN google "VMO strength exercises" or similar for specific work you can do, otherwise feel free to PM me if you dont have any joy, i do a fair bit of this stuff over in australia. The below website has a few useful things, you can load up the first and second exercise with ankle weights and add in hold times on the wall squats. Inner range leg press with higher weights, and once you get a bit stronger think about some single leg squats with small ranges. Remember your VMO is most active in the last 30degrees of extension, and make sure you push so your knee gets full straight. Keep up with your core work and pelvic stability too :)

    http://www.physioadvisor.com.au/8290850/quadriceps-strengthening-exercises-vmo-strengthe.htm

    EDIT: found another one that is helpful too, but the first one should be fine

    http://sportskneetherapy.com/the-best-vmo-exercises/
     
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  7. JEN14

    JEN14 Red Card

    May 8, 2014
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Thanks Alex. I did actually Google all that last night! Its general quad development on my right leg, but the VMO in particular is poor.

    Anyway think it's time to get this thread back on track..
     
  8. AllanBhoy

    AllanBhoy Member

    Feb 5, 2013
    The Canadian Republic
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
  9. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I didn't go though all of this and I don't intend to derail, but if these aren't covered in the links....step ups are a great VMO recruiter, especially Petersen step ups. Start at body weight and progress to holding weight following a standard linear progressing scheme with loading/rep. Eventually move to static overhead holds of the weight while doing them.
     
  10. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    All other shots have it w/o an external heel counter. I am hoping this is a more accurate depiction of what it will be. The external counter is one of the only "innovations" in the past 15 years that is really useful for function and fit purpose.

    I am wondering if they will be doing a straight up FG modeled on James' boots or if this is an SMU for him or someone else that doesn't want the FG/AG bottom.
     
  11. jayc23

    jayc23 Member+

    Dec 2, 2011
    Singapore
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Singapore
    #936 jayc23, Jul 5, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2015
    Well, good luck with your recovery! Went through a similar arthroscopic release surgery and have got osteoarthritis thanks to army but thankfully the inner quad strengthening exercises are helping me out. for now.


    The leather Ace 16.1 shot is interesting. Went to the instagram account where they got that boot from and that account hasn't posted up the pic. Could possibly be a player custom boot.

    That being said, the leather on those look pretty sweet.


    Also, Japan Hg Leather 15.1

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    Those look absolutely beautiful and really looks like an adipure now that its blacked out. For some reason with the volt colour it makes the whole heel area look really cheap to me.
     
  12. gusgorman

    gusgorman Member

    May 14, 2013
    Bristol, UK
    Sounds like this boot just isn't the right shape for your feet, and thats why you don't love it. The sizing 6, 6.5, 7 etc refers to length, so if the boot isn't wide enough going up half a size (or a size) is never going to result in a perfect fit.

    This is the problem with synthetic boots though isn't it? If a particular boot is right shape for your foot type they can feel great. Otherwise, they are never going to really work for you.
     
  13. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Which compartment has arthritis?

    I also prefer the all black or the white/silver model...I have never been a fan of the black/slime colorways from adidas. It really reminds me of the adiPower more than anything.
     
  14. jessepv

    jessepv Member

    Oct 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
  15. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I agree with you...the posterior part of the boot looks like a compression molded synthetic, one of good quality, but synthetic nonetheless.
     
  16. isaacmejia

    isaacmejia Member

    May 10, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Adidas Canada has a great deal on miadidas products right now.
    Not sure if any other countries are getting it too but the new X 15.1 regular $300 is on for $210, the Ace also has a similar discount amount. A good time to pick up a pair if you want them customized.
     
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  17. AllanBhoy

    AllanBhoy Member

    Feb 5, 2013
    The Canadian Republic
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    I saw that earlier myself. 30% off regular price. But I'm not fully convinced on the synthetic Ace and the X in general.
     
  18. jayc23

    jayc23 Member+

    Dec 2, 2011
    Singapore
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Singapore
    Knee joints, apparently the cartilage is all worn out resulting in bone grinding bone and the arthritis i mentioned, at least that's what the doctor said. Any chance we could take this to PM? I can't PM ya.



    not too sold about the synthetic Ace tbh but its availability in the HG soleplate + being able to customise a sexy black/white/gold is tempting me.

    Anyone's tried out the synthetic Ace? I know nothing is going to help my touches etc but is it as grippy as say the Instincts were (If I'm going to pay for a synthetic upper it might as well help with grip or at least in a placebo effect kind of way) or its total nonsense and feels like a crappy upper?
     
  19. isaacmejia

    isaacmejia Member

    May 10, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I ordered a pair on the 1st of July, so I can expect mine in 3-5 weeks. They won't price match for me though, a little disappointed by that.

    I'm going to assume the upper is just a better hybrid touch and I also just don't like the look of the leather X.
    It looks so clunky, even in the black colour way.
     
  20. appleCORR7

    appleCORR7 Member+

    Jul 3, 2004
    UK
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    A 7uk fits me just fine - I had to go up a size in my Primeknits 2.0 and they also fit me fine. The reason I'm not a huge fan of the boots is because the selling points aren't there for me. The synthetic is super soft and moulds really nicely to your feet and as I said I had no issue with cramping like I usually do around the midfoot. Out of the box they were like slippers. I was personally disappointed with the techfit collar. Maybe I expected too much. But the fit of the boot has nothing to do with it. I just had to get the right size for my foot which I think is the most important thing to do. It doesn't matter what the final size is as long as they are a decent fit for your foot. PDS are also advising people to go up half a size so the boot does run small.

    I'll be interested to hear other peoples opinions about what they think of the fit and the boot in general - especially people who have tried it.

    appleCORR
     
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  21. AllanBhoy

    AllanBhoy Member

    Feb 5, 2013
    The Canadian Republic
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    @appleCORR7 your opinion of X 15.1 vs Mercurial Superfly 4? I'm debating on whether to order a pair of MiAdidas X's (since they are on sale in Canada) or wait until August for a pair of Superfly 4s.
     
  22. The Footy Collector

    May 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    X15.1.JPG

    So, I got these today and I'm kind impressed with them, but I"m kind of like hmmmm with them. They pretty much feel like a more solid built F50's. F50's to me before felt really light and plasticky. These feel rock solid and I have to say the build quality is actually nice. I thought the upper was going to be super soft, but it pretty much feels like the previous gen hybrid touch synthetic. I went true to size, which is my usual size in all adidas except the copas and I still had a tiny bit of room in the toe. At the same time I feel like my foot wants to go deeper into the shoe so, I'm just thinking they need to break in and soften up. Definitely felt lots of lateral support and the heel pocket is very well padded with some sort of neoprene feeling material. Problem is that the liner around it is super smooth so, yes your heel has tons of padding, but I can see my heel slipping a little so, trusox are most likely going to be the answer. Oh and I forgot to mention they're a pain in the ass to get on at first due to their collar. Once I break them in and wear them in game, I'll have more of an update.
     
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  23. appleCORR7

    appleCORR7 Member+

    Jul 3, 2004
    UK
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I mean both are nice boots - as I've said & The Footy Collector, the X are just like a nicer pair of F50s. So if you were a big fan of those you won't be disappointed with the X. I know I've criticised it but it is still a nice boot. It's light with super thing synthetic so you do get a really nice feel on the ball. As for the SF4 - They are a nice boot too and if you can get them at a decent price (I think they are on sale here at like £160 at the moment) then they would probably be my boot of choice over the Xs. All round I think you'll get a nicer boot experience from the SF especially if you haven't worn a boot like that before. I suggest that you try them on though as they do run pretty narrow. (Also if you are opting for Miadidas go and try a pair of Xs on before you order online)

    The Footy Collector : I found the exact same thing about the tech fit collar. I could feet it slipping just as I planted my foot on the floor. Like I said in my review I didn't feel like I was going to roll my ankle or anything but it was a bit off putting. I can't believe Adidas used that type of material for something which is supposed to offer a better fit. I think I might give them a go with my trusox too.

    appleCORR
     
  24. The Footy Collector

    May 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I really don't understand why it's so difficult for a lot of manufacturers to use certain materials that make more sense. Like the padding in the heel is fantastic, bravo Adidas, but why would you line it with a silky material? It's like they had a bunch of left over spandex bike shorts and reused them to line the heel of the X. The longer I have them on my feet the better they fit, which makes sense, but the true test will be wearing them in game. I'm supposed to play on Saturday, but I blew out my lower back over the weekend and have a chiropractor appointment on Friday so, we'll see. If I do play I'll definitely wear these.
     
  25. jayc23

    jayc23 Member+

    Dec 2, 2011
    Singapore
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Singapore
    you definitely need to update on which collar you prefer HAHA
     

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