players who cant juggle

Discussion in 'Player' started by oheli_1, Sep 20, 2004.

  1. oheli_1

    oheli_1 New Member

    Sep 20, 2004
    are players who cant juggle bad players? 1 of my mates who cant juggle yet haf a superb touch...can players who cant juggle be good players?just curious..................
     
  2. SambaJ

    SambaJ Member

    Mar 12, 2004
    Nashville, TN
    Definitely. Some players just spend their time on passing or other aspects of the game. Juggling doesn't really help your game too much, besides your touch. But you can still have good touch without being able to juggle. That's the way I see it anyway.
     
  3. dela

    dela New Member

    May 14, 2004
    on the right flank
    I think that juggling is ALL about touch.

    However, I don't think that in order to be a good soccer player that you MUST know how to juggle. I know plenty of great soccer players (even semi-pros) who can't juggle the ball more than a few times (a few defenders come to mind)...

    but when it specifically comes to "touch", I find it hard to believe that anybody can be considered having a good "touch" and NOT be able to juggle.

    juggling = ball control via balance and touch
     
  4. sockacrazy

    sockacrazy New Member

    May 6, 2004
    I agree that you dont have to be a good juggler to be a good player but if the ball is in the air you have a much bigger advantage if you can juggle.

    -justin
     
  5. redalert101

    redalert101 New Member

    Jan 14, 2004
    Streets of Florida
    wow you definetley underrate juggling. it improves so many things if you do it the right way. it works most of the skill related physical components. it improves balance, coordination, reaction time if you speed juggle, a little bit endurance and most importantly your touch.also improves your volleying if you use it in games like soccer tenins.
     
  6. hambone

    hambone New Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    I don't understand how a semi pro wouldn't be able to juggle. I'm sorry if it is true, but when you say it I think it can't be true. Juggling is a fundamental skill. It is extremely easy for any somewhat skilled player. Every kid on my team can juggle the ball. It is not like the more u can juggle the better touch you have. But if you can't juggle I just can't see it being possible that you have a great touch. Because then, wouldn't you at least be able to keep the ball in the air? Like, juggling is pretty simple, so if you have a good touch shouldn't you be able to do it????
    I really see this, to be a good player, you don't have to be able to juggle. But, the thing is, a good player will practise alone, will practise their touch all the time. I can't see how a good player could possibly not be able to juggle.
     
  7. guado

    guado Member+

    Jun 30, 2004
    ocotengo miedo
    Club:
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    Nat'l Team:
    Indonesia
    jugglign improves your balance so much... balance is a bit underrarted also. if you can stay on your feet, it's so convenient. but touch isn't everything. u can play the prettsiest style and be uneffective.
     
  8. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    There's juggling and there's juggling. Most 'good' jugglers can keep the ball going for as long as they want. You can have decent touch and not be a particularly good juggler - I know several good (i.e. semi-pro) players that only average around 10 or 15 knocks in the air.

    The simple fact is that extended juggling, while an excellent exersise, isn't really a useful skill of itself in football. In the air you only get a few touches at most, and it's really only important that you get them right.
     
  9. dela

    dela New Member

    May 14, 2004
    on the right flank
    Well put.

    Yeah, when I say I know pros who can't juggle, I certainly don't mean that they can't keep the ball in the air for a good amount of touches. Any seasoned player should be able to do this. What I meant was more what Ceasar was getting at... ie. juggling infinitively with means other than just your feet, etc. <---- This is a talent that may not be so necessary even at higher levels.

    But more to the point... no touch = no juggle
     
  10. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My juggling record is 7. But I have a pretty good touch.
     
  11. benito camelpene

    May 31, 2003
    miami
    in my experience, most of the people i've played with who can't juggle range from average to terrible players. when i say juggling, i don't mean the fancy juggling with all types of tricks. i simply mean being able to keep the ball off the ground while being in complete control. i know a lot of people who could juggle but they are all over the place, but when you ask them to juggle the ball in one place, they can't do it.
     
  12. Siegen

    Siegen New Member

    Jul 2, 2003
    Boise, Idaho
    Just because you are a good juggler doesn't make you a great player. But, every great player is at least a decent juggler.

    There's relationship but it's not direct.
     
  13. el mofles

    el mofles Member

    May 16, 2001
    RC Mongolian BBQ
    Club:
    Birmingham City LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Anyone ever the read the training book by Bryan Robson from a few years back that says something along the lines of, don't spend your time learning to juggle because your a footballer not a circus clown. And go right on ahead and drink that stout if you want to bulk up kid.
     
  14. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is very possible to be a good player, and even to have excellent touch, without being able to juggle, and there's a very good technical reason.

    Juggling requires you to keep your weight back on your heels for an extended period of time. This is not at all realistic; in a game situation your weight is almost always going to be on your toes. For some people, juggling for more than a few touches is difficult because of the unusual weight distribution, not because of their touch.
     
  15. GreenDay

    GreenDay New Member

    Sep 15, 2001
    Estonia
    LOL I have that book.
     
  16. dela

    dela New Member

    May 14, 2004
    on the right flank

    I can juggle for hours straight if I wanted to and I very rarely put my heels to the ground.
     
  17. servotron

    servotron New Member

    Mar 4, 2004
    St Paul, MN
    Allright, it's a challenge! I demand a MPEG of you, juggling for 4 hours! ;)

    Juggling REALLY helps with touch, but if you ask me a much more important touch practice is the skill of taking down aerial passes at speed, or what you might call "emergency juggling", which would be juggling, but WITHOUT the ball being in your control all the time. The kind of touch where you have to dive/stretch/etc to get the ball back into control or get a one-touch pass over your own head off the volley, etc. While it's nice and necessary to have the juggling fundamentals down, how often will you juggle in the game vs. having to make an "emergency touch" like that? Just my 2c.
     
  18. eldiablito

    eldiablito New Member

    Jun 8, 2000
    in Sagy's shadow
    Yes. They're called defenders.
     
  19. dela

    dela New Member

    May 14, 2004
    on the right flank
    You are correct Servotron. In fact, after practice all through my youth and into my adult playing years I used to stay late after my team's practices and juggle and juggle and jungle. About every 10th touch or so I would kick the ball straight up in the air as high as I could and try to bring it down softly to continue juggling. Doing that is more beneficial to your playing than how many times you can keep a darn ball up in the air with your instep. Of course having a friend hit a hard ball to you in the air so you can bring it down controllably is going to benefit you even more.
     
  20. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regardless of whether your heels are on the ground, your weight is still much farther back than in most game situations. Can you juggle for a long time leaning forward?

    Anyway, I mention this because I have trouble getting past 10 touches or so juggling, but have no trouble at all bringing down a high ball. I've had a lot of practice receiving long passes, so I almost always bring the ball down softly on first touch, even under a lot of pressure.
     
  21. redalert101

    redalert101 New Member

    Jan 14, 2004
    Streets of Florida
    yeah well if they can only do 15 then they are obviousaly not as consistent at gettingf there touches right as someone who can juggle 500 touches. and balance is important. static and dynamic balance are used everytime you move. i guess you have never seen a defender or even someone dribbling the ball become unbalanced for whatever reason. well juggleing helps that. i read in an article that damarcus beasly said that juggling was something he practices everyday because IT IS AN IMPORTANT SKILL. it seems to be working for him.
     
  22. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    Extended juggling is not a useful skill, as it isn't used during a game. Touch is a useful skill, and juggling is merely an excellent exersise to develop it. That doesn't make it essential.
     
  23. redalert101

    redalert101 New Member

    Jan 14, 2004
    Streets of Florida
    yeah but a person who can juggle for an extended period of time has a more consistent good touch therefore has a higher chance of making more good touches in a game than a person who cant juggle for an extended period of time
     
  24. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    You're missing the point.
     
  25. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not obvious that someone who can only juggle for 15 touches has inferior touch. The balance points for extended juggling and for most game situations are very different. In a game situation, I think my first touch is far better than that of many people who can juggle for hundreds of touches.

    IMHO, once you can consistently get 15 touches juggling, further juggling isn't really indicative of superior touch.
     

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