At least this loss will add a certain pressure for the game against Latvia. People expect an easy victory after the 6-0 home, but let's not forget the 2-2 away against Estonia last year. De Vrij-Vlaar should be the CB pair, I'd like to see Rekik but I doubt about it. Janmaat and Promes are still above VDW and Narsingh, even if they weren't better tonight. ----------------------------------------------Cillessen---------------------------------------------- --Janmaat-------------------------De Vrij---------------Vlaar----------------------Willems -----------------------------------Blind------------------Clasie------------------------------------ --Promes-------------------------------------Sneijder--------------------------------Depay------ -----------------------------------------------Huntelaar-------------------------------------------
It pains me to say this, but some of it is coaching. Klinnsman had a strategy for the players he used and they exploited that back line.
Blah....blah.....blah. This was only a silly friendly with only our B-team out tonight. Kudos to the USA. You guys played well, however. You guys had your B-team out, but so did we. However, I give credit to you Americans. You guys played well, and hit the goalpost I dont know how many times. Maybe you deserved this win
Looks good except I'd change Cillessen to Vermeer and Vlaar to Rekik. Vlaar's had a forgettable season this year with all his injuries. And I prefer Janmaat too, but Hiddink will probably keep him in the doghouse again since he seems to love vdW. I just hope we don't see Bruma or BMI in a starting XI again.
A silly friendly indeed, but one with 3 goals!!! It was a fun game for all except possibly RvP and Jasper.
Hiddink has had enough time to build a solid time. Today they looked amateurs on defense. I really don't see a way out with Hiddink in charge. Bring me Bielsa!
Yupper, Hiddink needs to go!!!!! Although I see very few ranks coming though besides (Depay and Berghuis), so theres very little youth Hiddink can work with
Blind was caught out of position too many times and towards the end, he ran out of steam and allowed the US full back to run past him on a couple of occasions that allowed two simple tap-ins. I think Klinsmann noticed this as well and asked his full back to create more pressure on Blind. Look at the 2nd goal we conceded. The entire backline came to a standstill. Bruma was jogging back and in the end he just gave up. Blind wasn't even aware that a player was sprinting past him until the very last moment when Bradley had already played the through ball. I'm not pointing him out but as an experienced player (who plays for United) he should have seen that coming. Anticipation and positional awareness are things that save a lot of goals even if you're out of gas in the dying minutes of the game.
Dont you think that Clasie is a breath of fresh air in midfield who can split things up with his slick passing?I fully agree with you that he was average throughout the game but he was one of the very few who were willing to play the ball FORWARD. Its the willingness to create something out of nothing that matters the most. I'm absolutely sure with runners/b2b players such as Van Ginkel/Strootman alongside him to clean things up, Clasie will flourish a lot. Holland shouldn't settle for less creativity in midfield under any circumstances. I'd play clasie as a no.10 with Ginkel and Strootman as double pivots behind him..just my 2 cents..
I thought it was 3-1 but it was actually few minutes after the 3-2 that Hiddink changed Clasie for Sneijder. How amateur is that ? You know that your defence is tired and that the americans will play the draw, if Clasie was tired then he had two solutions on the bench : - Willems in and Blind switch to DM. Was probably the best because Yedlin was too fast for Blind, a fresh Willems could challenge him. - De Vrij/Veltman/Rekik in, Blind switch to DM and BMI to LB. Bad because BMI would suffer even more, but good because you have a fresh CB. He could even do both of course, changing Clasie and BMI for Willems and Rekik for example because BMI was exhausted at the end. But he did a weird and amateur choice.
I want somebodys head on a platter, and I want it now!!!!!! That means you Hiddink!!!! This s*** is unacceptable!!!!!!!!
No Excuses! This was the worst defensive display from Oranje I have ever seen! There totally was no organization whatsoever. Yes, it was a friendly and a lot of young guys got the chance to show what they are worth and they failed completely. We made an average US look like Brazil 1970 while normally you should win this quite easy with 5-1. After the 3-1 we should have played professionally and sit back trying to score more goals out of quick counters but no, they just went all-out-attack leaving huge gaps in the back, presenting the US the most easy goals they have ever scored. I hope Vlaar and De Vrij can start against Latvia because Bruma and Martins Indi are probably the worst defenders I have ever seen wearing the orange. We always said we had a weak defense with guys like Mathijsen and Ooijer in the back but these guys actually had tactical know-how. Also Willems should play at LB because Blind is too slow. And I still don't know who out of Janmaat or Van der Wiel is better as RB? Both don't know how to defend anyway... It's crazy how a meaningless friendly can be so frustrating. Kudos to the US though for exposing our weaknesses once again before our important match against Latvia. If Hiddink doesn't win he should resign because this is ridiculous!
One thing all those who have commented and seem to be oblivious to is that this was a friendly with more than the three allowed substitutions. Klinsman put fresh players on the pitch for the last 20 minutes and of course they were going to be quicker at this point in the match. I agree that Blind was over matched here and perhaps Hiddink did not want to put Willems in preferring to save him for the Latvia match. Were this a traditional three sub only match the results very well "might" have been different. Both Vlaar and de Vrij had long seasons and it made sense to rest them. What I don't understand is why Veltman was not preferred to Bruma. Bruma has never been a good defender and is positionally poor in contrast to Veltman.
This. USA was opened up so easily at times and could not finish if their life depended on it. Look how many chances they missed, which drives the point home even more that this Oranje under Hiddink is a disaster. How can you be defensively so poor that you even lose to a USA that are no deadly finishers? Anyway, with de Jong coming in we got a taste of what is next. Missing chances and his shot was powerless and easy to save. Now we see a complete problem rising. Huntelaar/RvP being at the bad side of 30 and nothing deadly behind them. There is only 1 thing people can be hopeful about and that is Stroot+van Ginkel possibly coming back next year. We have another gear in midfield that we can exploit. That being said, Hiddink is the main problem. He has become a loser and conceding 3 goals at home going from a 3-1 to a 3-4 end result is something I put on the coach. His mentality plus horrible substitutions made us lose. I say give it to Blind, no I expect little, but then we can fire Blind after the Euro and start fresh with a new tournament.
I think size. USA had some tall folks with corners up front and Bruma is a pretty big dude. Veltman not so much.
Anyway, Bruma is not a big problem long term. We have van Beek and de Vrij. Especially van Beek with his size and long kick is interesting.
After this game Willems vs Blind should be back on top of any talking point list. Had that been Willems, letting himself run past so easily, he would not even be considered for the NT anymore. Willems can not defend. Well what was Blind doing then? Was that solid defending? Willems puts some first class crosses in at least.
The last 20 - 30 minutes was pure comedy! What a game! I hope we qualify to the Euros.. Somehow.. We need a proper humiliation on a big tournament for the KNVB and the Dutch football to wake up.
Saw this from an Italian fan somewhere on the net: Horrible Dutch defending (Move your mouse to reveal the content) Horrible Dutch defending (open) Horrible Dutch defending (close) I just don't understand. The Dutch have four defenders playing, in order, at Newcastle, PSV, Porto and United, with a substitute appearance of a PSG defender. It's not like these are youth prospects, on the contrary, but I've seen them make every single defensive mistake there is to make. Ballwatching, positioning errors, breaking offside traps, losing crucial one on one contrasts, losing your mark during a cross, failure to track runs, failure to cover runs, absolutely anything and everything you should have been punished for time and time again since they started playing when they were barely attending school. It's shameful. For players acting at such a high level, they were atrocious. I'd give every single one of them a 3 at the most. This was indeed unacceptable. I want there to be consequences after this game. This game was the final straw.
It also has a lot to do with Dutch arrogance and the underestimation of teams the US. Blind was obviously letting his opponent run thinking "ohh well.. he can't cross anyway". It's about the mentality.. This was very similar to that game agains Japan a while back. Do you remember? When the Japanese showed us how to properly play the passing game on a high tempo.. The Dutch people and the Players still seem to think that they belong in the top 5.. and they think lowly of opponents who are lower on the ranking. This is prevalent in all our teams. From the U15 to the first team. RVP was on point at the end: US was simply better than Oranje. I wished this was the only problem we had..
Yes, but I also have to bring in what Laurent said. There was a 3-1/3-2 situation and after that mind boggling change of Sneijder for Clasie things really started to slip out of our hands. That is also just tactical noob stuff. Or indeed Hiddink thinking he can do that, being arrogant. Either way, it was stupid and delivered them a victory.
Should you not give your prospective starting midfielder some minutes before a match that really counts???? I have no quarrel with the Sneijder substitution, the other midfielders were rubbish anyway.