Will USSF take away Dib?

Discussion in 'NASL' started by manny84, Mar 22, 2015.

  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well based on those numbers, having teams in only the Eastern and Central time zones should make your league a "National" league, I mean you are covering close to 80% of the country, that sounds like a lot, right?
     
  2. sawillis

    sawillis Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    Smyrna, TN
    Except for the fact that you kill several Top 20 markets that way...Mandating Pacific was a smart move by US Soccer. US Soccer overall is a fairly weak organization that has to live in the macro not the micro. So they mandate things that should be easy to accomplish that provides a national feel. Remembering that US Soccer is a big picture organization and that the details fall on the leagues to execute helps when dealing with crazy conspiracy stuff.
     
  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ok, but you are still "covering" 80% so that is a huge majority.

    I have no issues with the requirement, but just from the numbers you provided, they make it look like over kill, 80% is pretty fvcking good IMO.


    Note: Obviously just because you may have a team in 1 of the time zones, it does not mean you are "covering" the time zone.

    A team in Fresno CA, would satisfy the Pacific time zone, but as you point out, it would still leave out several top 20 markets.
     
  4. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He has something called common sense. I mean come on, do we really need the "smoking gun" here to reach the obvious conclusion? USSF and MLS are joined at the hip, just about every public declaration made (especially during the JK fiasco) states that USSF and MLS are "aligned in their interests".

    MLS's interest right now is their partnership with USL Pro (which we also know was a relationship NASL rejected a couple years ago) and it is not a large leap of logic to look at USSF adopting sanctioning rules that favor USL Pro and disfavor NASL as well as forming a Pro Development committee with the two chairmen of MSL and USL Pro (there is no NASL representation at soccer HQ).

    I get MLS trying to push out NASL as a business, but USSF is quietly giving them the assist on the sly and frankly as the sitting FA of this country they should be held to a higher standard than MLS. Then again, USSF is headed by a former MLS deputy commish.

    But yeah, go on and keep accusing people of being a conspiracy theorist. I suppose you don't think Qatar bought the 2022 World Cup either.
     
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  5. sawillis

    sawillis Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    Smyrna, TN
    Honestly which group would you as the head of US Soccer try to help. One which makes a living off of the MLS Waiver wire and bringing in foreign players or a league with the stated goal of development. US Soccer makes its living at the National Team level. You would think it is in their best interest to support things that aid that. Academies>Minor League Development>MLS>National Team

    That is the track that is being constructed as we speak in this country, which is something we have never officially had before.
     
  6. greenroom

    greenroom BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Depends on the level of play. Take the Scorpions we have two Sporting KC players and you could tell that the Abdul-Salaam while has great potential, the physical and speed in NASL showed he was not ready for MLS (and to be honest not sure about NASL after last week) but it was his first game. Kempin did well, and not sure if anyone would of been able to stop the Rowdies goals this past weekend.

    So NASL and MLS are working together, and I do wonder if it is more perception that the leagues dont work together, on the team level I know San Antonio tries to have good relations with FC Dallas and Houston, and this year it seems that Sporting KC is working with us.
     
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  7. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Um, if i am the USA football association I would be making decisions to the advancement of the sport at all levels. Which means actively supporting all professional divisions and arbitrating the growth of the game and protecting it from the special monetary interests of private enterprise, when possible.

    Professional development of players isn't isolated to MLS, never has been and in fact until recently never was at all. USSF has power brokers within that will protect the nice profitable youth development arm, but realistically they need leagues like USL and NASL to fill in the gaps MLS is missing (and they miss a lot).

    Right now you have a FA which essentially is run at the professional development level by MLS and letting MLS decidde what is best, and what is best for MLS (top division monopoly, squeezing out competition, etc) is not always what is best for the sport and growth of the game here.
     
  8. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    At the D2 level I believe the time zone requirement is overkill, especially considering the market size requirements, and the amount of markets in the Pacific. Remember this is D2 not D1, I do not think D2 should be a national league, especially if they are willing to allow two D2 leagues.

    As far as the USSF. From what I have read on here both the MLS and USL have representation on their board, but the NASL does not. Is this correct? If so I personally think that is ethically wrong, on the basis of conflict of interest. Every sanctioned league should have equal representation. Either all of them need to be represented, or none of them. While overall I don't think the MLS has anything against the NASL, I do think their partnership with USL would motivate them to use their position to vote for something that gives the USL an advantage over the NASL when they otherwise would not have supported that measurement. I can't say if it has happened yet, but it is a hypothetical situation that I would prefer to be proactively avoided.
     
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  9. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.ussoccer.com/about/governance/board-of-directors

    Pro Council Reps:

    Don Garber - you all know him
    Alec Papadakis - CEO USL Pro

    Prior to Alec's inclusion this year the other rep was Merritt Paulson from MLS
     
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  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is not a good sign for NASL, when a D3 rep gets a spot over a D2 rep.
     
  11. sawillis

    sawillis Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    Smyrna, TN
    USL will be at 48 teams within 5 years. When MLS hits 32...That's 80 professional teams with academies.
     
  12. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Players follow the money and NASL has higher player budgets than usl, that will likely continue IF usl gets D2 in 2 years as usl has stated they will operate the same as now and want D2 mainly for the profile.
     
  13. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Where'd you see that?
     
  14. sawillis

    sawillis Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    Smyrna, TN
    The money is in MLS and which ever league provides the best chance to get to MLS will win out.
     
  15. Prosoccercdn

    Prosoccercdn Member+

    Aug 6, 2011
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    It was a few weeks back - Jake Edwards made the comments about how the usl was applying for D2 status for 2017 mainly for the profile, and how the way the league operates and the quality of play will be much like it is now and not much will change in that respect (other than what they need to do to shore up ownership, stadiums. etc to meet D2 requirements obviously).
     
  16. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    If you remember where, I'd like to hear the exact wording.
     
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  17. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #42 FoxBoro 143, Apr 7, 2015
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2015
    I thought it was Tim Holt who said something along those lines....but I am unable to find it right now.
    Edit: I'm thinking of this article with Tannenwald. While he does not say that they are seeking D2 just for the profile, he does say that they only need to make minor changes and that fans won't see much difference. (I know you've seen this article, since you linked it in the thread I found it in)
    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...-decision-to-seek-Division-2-sanctioning.html
     
  18. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lol.

    USL with minor changes, fans won't see the difference to NASL.

    NASL hey we are almost as good as MLS teams.

    MLS, if we change the shirts of the teams to ELP Jerseys, fans won''t be able to tell the difference between Seattle and Everton.

    Man all the leagues really think their fans are dumb.
     
  19. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    OK, but I don't think that's quite the statement about quality of play that @Prosoccercdn was suggesting above. Everything I've heard from the USL about quality is exactly what you near from MLS and NASL: we're getting better every year and will continue to get better every year. Maybe @Prosoccercdn is talking about a different statement.
     
  20. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
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  21. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Just a prediction but I can see some major re- shuffling of franchises and the leagues they play in. Similar to how the temp DII USL Pro broke off into creating the DII independent NASL and others staying at DIII level USL Pro.
    I dont see Tampa, FTL, Cosmos among others going anywhere their stable with much more stable and serious owners. Two Canadian Teams as well FCE has come miles and OSEG owning Fury in Ottawa. Hamilton as well has the stadium and ownership set up to have a CFL and NASL as a second tenant. not hurting is that new management at Copps/First Ontario and Bulldogs now purchasing an OHL team to replace the AHL club. Tim Horton's a big sponsor of all three. Plus Canada attempt to create at the very least a NASL Canadian Division for the highest level possible for pro soccer in Canada aside from the 3 MLS clubs.
    Very well could see a USL DIII division emerge from this with those non affiliated teams all jumping quickly to get into a less expensive USL Pro as it was originally set up.
    Could even see some NASL clubs with loan agreements with DIII clubs.
    Calgary Foothills have moved into PDL with apparent plans to join USL. Could be a club that may choose a USL DIII and work together with FCE and Alberta soccer. Two academies one in EDM and one in Calgary. NASL DII in EDM, USL DIII and PDL in Calgary.
    Maybe aside from TFC. It looks as though all of the pro clubs in Canada are working together at some level
    Again just a prediction.
     
  23. cflsteve

    cflsteve Member

    Jul 21, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    As for the MLS clubs having/owning their own B/2 teams there is nothing wrong with that. Again JMO that USL will want to see these clubs have their own idendity in time and play on more than just a practice field. JMO it would seem they are looking for an affiliation that NHL has with AHL or MLB has with Pacific Coast and International league.
     

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