Who is Neymar? the young player of age 23 who is quickly closing in on the top 4 best goal scorers of Selecao!
What do you mean james ? Where was i what times ? .. What has historical data got to do with what Neymar may achieve with the selecao ?
I saw this interesting fact. Neymar scored against Argentina, Germany, Italy, Spain & France. No other Brazilian in history scored against all those national teams. Btw, 43 and counting
Those who dismiss Neymar as a mere good goal scorer for Brazil NT and Santos should think again Those who think Pele is untouchable should think again Those who are militant fanatics about dismissing any proposition that some player else might emulate, or beat Pele ever in the future, are suffering from "nostalgia" and "romanticism" As far as I know, if the world doesn't get blown up by madman pressing a Nuke button, or a comet hits the Earth any time soon, there still will be WC18, WC22, WC26, WC30 etc to negotiate with the ranking table. Neymar just started. At age 19 he was the main star of Selecao. At age 22 he was the most important and best Brazilian player at WC14. At age 23 he already scratches on Zico total goals for Selecao. I cannot help to SPECULATE more and SPECULATE even a little more that Neymar is the kind of player that will improve like red wine. The older, the better. Beware! For he has still at least 2 more WC's to climb the rungs of Selecao all time best legends. He just started
NO players (attackers) ever reached 100games (official) in Brazil NT HISTORY (even pele) And Neymar does not only need 100 but probably 120-150games to score >77goals Now the rest is SPECULATION: "I think Neymar will easily make 150games? or I think Neymar will easily score 80goals ?"
Ate age 23 Neymar is already Captain of Brazil Do not argue with posters who believe that Neymar has got a bright future that can clinch him in the top 5 all time best Brazilians. Watch the full game James you had always boasted so much about Ronaldo and Pele being BIG GAMES player. Well here is an interesting feat, Neymar scored against France today to close the gap even further Brazil vs France!
huh? that only confirmed Brazil NT in their WEAKEST ever era ... For your INFO: Thiago Silva was captain ... and just last game (Neymar was TRIED by Dunga to wear captain band) Lastly wearing captain band did NOT mean he is the best player ! (Dunga was captain WC94 to 98 LOL)
You are overseeing a few interesting details in Neymar and Selecao lately. Hence why you clinch onto your numbers fatefully Neymar needs 35 goals to reach Pele. I see what you mean with the 120-150 goals because you are taking the GPG into account. But the thing is that today modern game is changing again. It is becoming the norm for any player in good shape to bag in many caps and goals fast for their NT. THat rule of thumb of yours in which you limit any player to a maximum of 100 total is not absolute. Remember when you claimed 2 years ago that Klose could not outscore Ronaldo WC goals? So how do you know Neymar may not play 100+ games in the next 10 years? Neymar debut with Selecao was at age 18. That is in the last 5 years he managed to score 43 goals in 60 games. That is a great feat considering that his overall GPG is higher then Ronaldo. So Neymar has had so far a better record with NT than Ronaldo at age 23. Neymar age 23 >Ronaldo age 23 in terms of (1) goals (2) GPG (3) leadership (4) impact So if Ronaldo ended his career with 62 goals, while he started with lower rate of goals and caps then Neymar has so far, what makes you think your "rule of thumb" wont be broken? I say Neymar is a new breed of generation of players of which new "rule of thumb" applies. 100+ matches for Selecao will become the mainstay soon. Neymar might as well as be the first striker to break that benchmark. He already has 61 matches in his first 5 years. Consider that!
as shallow as ever Wearing the captaincy band is one indication of leadership for a midfielder/winger in the position of Neymar who's game is playmaker What you seem to oversee again, is that at age 23 being given the responsibility to lead as captain of Brazil to defeat France is a great feat! He is gaining experience day by day, Dunga is nurturing Neymar Again, as you keep on practicing "the three wise monkey" psychology, in the mean time Neymar is growing and growing to become a true legend. I cannot wait any longer to see Neymar lead Brazil to WC18 glory! I am growing inpatient!
Ronaldo could of broken Pele record had he stayed injury free. If Neymar stay injury free and continue they way he have been doing, I see him as the all-time scorer in 4 or 5 years. I hope Pele is in attendance when this happens.
Neymar could beat Pele's goalscoring tally. Who cares? edit: ...Wait. Is somebody actually claiming Neymar will surpass Pele as a player????
Ronaldo could have become the best scorer wasn't it for his injuries Romario could have become the best scorer wasn't it for his antics Neymar is not injury prone and has no antics, so I do not see him being cut short unless some ruthless defenders hack him with two legs. http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/5...0174752/numbers-game-neymars-brazil-evolution
Neymar is only 23, he now needs 35 goals to be Brazil's leading scorer ever. More than likely, by age 27 (in four years) he has achieved that feat, all he has to do is score nine goals per year with Brazil. As @Guigs and @celito mentioned, Brazil plays around 15 FIFA matches a year, so it shouldn't be too hard for him barring injuries.
So almost agree Neymar will score more goals than Pele but not suprassing as a player. 23 years old,scores 43 goals in 61 matches->Amazing
I understand now sorry, but are you not also speculating yourself that Neymar will not score more than pele ?.. We seem to be at a time where goalscoring records are being broken.. Messi broke gerd mullers record of a goals in a calender year among other records..Rooney is getting close to Bobby Charlton.. Suarez is the all time scorer for uruguay,David villa for spain.. So why not Neymar for brazil ?.. Neymar is gonna have easier games and opposition than he did last night.. He will no doubt play many more friendlies against weaker teams than france..
Messi became an all time best player only when he entered his prime and peak. Messi at age 23 did not break any records with Argentina NT yet. Messi at age 23 did not reach the level of performance with Argentina NT as Neymar has with Brazil. In fact Messi hype started when he slightly entered his peak at age 25 onward and then only started to be praised and exclaimed as an all time best player in the zenith of his prime and peak at age 27 Whereas, Neymar already is the best in Selecao and top 5 in the world today without even entering prime and peak yet. So the question is, if a 23 year old pre-prime and pre-peak Neymar playing alongside Messi today, already is breaking records and giving world class performances consistently, then what kind of player will he become at the "zenith" of his prime and peak when he gets 27/28 years old? I am growing inpatient!
And just look at the quality of team mates Neymar has when compared to other generations.. Pele was the best player of his time but he had help from garrincha,didi,tostao,gerson,rivelino etc Zico had socrates, falcao,eder,junior . R9 had rivaldo,ronaldinho,bebeto etc.. Neymar is playing at a time when brazil no longer have the best players in the world.. Brazil lack technically gifted players for him to combine with..
Messi became world #1 at age 21, Neymar isn't going to be one in 2 to 3 years. Messi at age 23 for Argentina > Neymar at age 23 for Brazil WCU20 Golden Ball/Boot > SA Youth Golden Boot (Brazil won WCU20 even without Neymar) Olympic Gold Medal > Olympic Silver Medal CA07 runner-up > CA11 8th WC10 5th > WC14 4th WCQ = Confederations Cup And I mean the relative performance's not the team success. And Messi did this all flying from Europe to another culture and back, when Neymar was grown in Brazil as his home country. It's not close, in any perspective.
Just watching the game against France last night, you could see every single one of the Brazilians having talent to combine with Neymar, not only that they are mobile and bench players are just as talented. Their tactics are also top notch and they work as a team. I take 10 times out of 10 that kind of team, than bunch of super stars or managers who can't produce shit.
100%! Pele 58-70 had the very best of his generation Zico 82/86 had the very best of his generation Ronaldo 98/02 had the very best of his generation Romario 94 had to drag an average team Neymar had (and will continue in the future) an even harder task to drag an even more averaged team then Romario 94 I cannot help to believe that if Neymar was playing in 94 or 02 he would easily make it as a key starter in all matches of WC94 and WC02
No one is arguing Messi vs Neymar it is not a shameful thing to have Messi beating Neymar in the "evolution" chart here. Messi is the best player in the last 5 years and there is no question about that. Having said that, it doesn't matter at all the rankings of a player as long as the player gives a great performance at the highest stage in football. So far, Neymar seems to be more convincing to me as a NT player then Messi has so far. Neymar is more consistent with NT then Messi. Messi has had many ups and down and a very slow start with Argentina's NT, while Neymar was given top performances for Brazil from the onset. Neymar never failed to score and beat big opponents (like @Kaka10725 has shown earlier) while Messi failed to score against Brazil many times! Do you remember how bad Neymar was vs Brazil last year friendlies? Neymar never "let down" a game with Brazil vs big opponents. So that "evolution" chart of yours, for as interesting as it looks, it does not tell the full story.
What superstars cant produce shit ?.. Pele and zico and R9 had better players to play with.. Im not saying that the brazilian players are rubbish but they arent greats.Neymar is the focal point of that team.. I kind of agree with what you say regarding the team performance..i thought brazil played well.. How do you rate players like oscar and willian when compared to past generations ? All im saying is that they are not as creative as the players R9 pele and zico played with. Time changes football but i think relative to this era brazil are not producing great attacking players as they did in the past.. Im not saying i am right or you are wrong , its just my opinion that if Neymar doesnt play well or gets injured then brazil dont have players to replace his creativity.. Its similar to brazil in the the 1994 world cup qualifiers without romario.. Romario changed that team..take him out and brazil look a weaker team in attack and limited in the creativity department