100% opinions are pointless, if there's no logical argument for them. For example Maradona 86, Messi 14 and Kempes 78 were all "one man" teams in sense a team can be such, hence the statistical superiority. Brazil has always had stacked teams, all performing well, hence the team edge and individual statistical inferiority.
I said you are not that good in number! PLEASE do not expose yourself Neymar 40goals/60games now (even young and top form) so Let's BLINDFOLD and say he will (???) score another 40gaols in next 60+games (assuming he will play that many) to beat 77goals (regardless Pele or Freidenrich ...) it meant MINIMUM requirement of 120+ games for Neymar = my pooint and ONLY FEW FW coudl have reached that = NONE in Brazil NT ! FEW scenarios of SPECULATION: 1- you guys ASSUME Neymar will only be same or betetr FORM in next 60+games? 2- You guys ASSUME Neymar will strongly maintain his same GPG (0.75) until the END of his career? 3- you guys ASSUME NOTHING happens in next 6,7 years of Brazil? who knows there might be another new PELE and he will REPLACE to put Neymar on bench?
Nothing is ever set in stone until it happens, nobody deals with absolutes... Firmino might surpass Pelé for all we know
Like I said before hope you understand that you're one of the jokes on the forum. Like puertorican was before red carded. Have a nice day
yes nothing is "absolute" in this world .... until it will (EVER?>) happen! Say ... 0.00001% that Neymar will or 0.000000000000000000001% that Firminho will ? I can agree with that possibility ... LOL as said: WAIT and SEE .... UNTIL it will "EVER" happen The rest is just PURE speculation! =================================== Like people still HOPE to see another Pele for last 50years? Like People still HOPE to see another Einstein for last 70years?
You're underestimating Neymars chances in a way that the math doesn't apply. 60 games 42 goals outside of his prime So what you're expecting is he will play less games and score less during his prime years. Does that make sense? I think not.
again NO MORE speculation! Until we'll see his "prime" then we'll com back here to talk ! FACT said: 1- great players like Pele, R9 or even Zico ... DID SCORE MORE from 17-24 for Brazil than from 25-29 OK? 2- The reason Pele, R9 scored a lot for Brazil for they got HUGE GPG (0.8 to 1GPG) at younger age ... (Neymar got close but not as high with 0.75) 3- Neymar was LUCKY as the only man to score gaols, while Pele Zico R9 or Roamrio had to FIGHT and SHARE with otehr greats! Like I said unless you guys HOPE to put Neymar in the <1% of some sort of "supernatural" - and IRONICALLY Pele, Zico R9 were all phenomenon >>> Neymar at same age now
#3 - Another way to look at it is those players were "lucky" to play with great players that helped them score more. Better teams create better chances and good teammates can take attention off them. Neymar plays with much inferior players/teams and actually should make scoring tougher.
It's about the synergy and tactics if a team has a edge. Names on paper have never meant anything. I feel that Neymar actually has a great team with Brazil, young and hungry generation full of talent, with some old guard to help.
Wrong assumption! May be correct elsewhere but NOT in Brazil NT legends! 1-Pele Zico R9 R11 proved from different teams so your point is not counted - 2- only fact remained: Pele had to share scoring with Vava Garrincha Tostao to Jiarzinho Romario and Ronaldo had to share with eachotehr and Bebeto, Edmundo Ronaldo )post injured) had to share with Bebeto , Rivaldo Adriano Fabiano Neymar now? Fred or Jo or Hulk? So NEYMAR is lucky to be the KEY man
No more speculations... as you speculate he will not be able to make it. As I said it before, if we're just pointing out results I rather not read these posts and read a professional newspaper telling me the results. So to argue only after having results to base your arguments on is brainless. Even scientists start with a theory before getting into the results.
Two points: Of course, Neymar is going to be crucial for Brazil, moreso than other players in recent memory, considering how poor the starting 11 for that NT is. Quite the shame. I like Neymar insofar as he's the only one who really reminds us all of what Brazilian football is about. But he's going to have a tough time winning anything compared to the players that evolved in the golden generation. Secondly, stop comparing stats. Please. They carry a heavy recency bias for numerous reasons, namely that it is MUCH easier to score now than a decade ago.
BASED ON STATS and HISTORICAL DATA = FACT liek I said when will you guys understand the difference between 1- SPECULATION ( YOU = I think Neymar will easily score >77goals based on what?) 2- FACT (James) said 2-1 Neymar will need > 120+ games (even150) to beat 77goals of Pele 2-2 NONE (not even Pele) attackers in Brazil team EVER reached 100+games in last 100 years 2-3 NONE (even Pele) could maintain a SAME GOOD GPG from 23 - to 29 (age) Based on those 3 FACTS (data historically) Neymar will have very very SLIM chance (<2%)
That's what I just said. If you have to wait for results to have an opinion, you don't have one. And you reply with results... Neymar 43
Yeah, the idea that Neymar could ever surpass Pele isn't one we can even entertain seriously. I never grew up to watch Pele unfortunately, so I can't comment too much about his footballing ability and will leave others who are more knowledgeable to do that for me. But Neymar will never come close to matching Pele's legacy.
No, this is about if Neymar will score more than 77goals for Brazil sooner or later As I see ... Neymar will not even be close to TOP20 best Brazil all time = let along Pele as #1
The thread is about the goal tally, not the player itself Neymar 61 games 43 goals Pele 92 games 77 goals
those are just offcial by FIFA! in actual games (small tourneys and some friendles) , Pele scored 92goals in Brazil shirts