Sacramento MLS Expansion Superthread

Discussion in 'Sacramento Republic FC' started by 30King, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Breton said on the Rise Guys the other day that he's been told "on the down-low" that league officials weren't exactly thrilled by Beckham's choice of Miami. I think they would hang with him well into 2016 if they were really committed Miami.

    As an aside, I think it was also he (or I may have heard/read it elsewhere) that said one of the theories regarding lack of support for the Fusion was that the Latin American community looked down on the quality of play in MLS so they continued to follow Central and South American soccer. Who knows the validity of that and whether it still holds true.
     
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  2. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well it's being used as leverage. Think about it. If Sacramento is awarded, then what does the league have on Miami to use as leverage? Right now, they can go to Miami and say "look, you need to get this together now because we have this other city ready to go. If you don't get it together we're going with them and your city will miss out on getting a franchise!" If Sacramento is 24, it then becomes an ambiguous, less urgent situation, which could make apathetic civic leaders just sit on their hands and ignore the whole issue longer. It's just business on MLS' part. Sucks to be used like a pawn in this situation, though.

    And didn't the league say a few weeks back that the decision on expansion would be made by the end of the year? It wasn't until that interview with Garber that suddenly we heard the 60 days timeframe come back. So it's just unfortunate to hear that timeframe given again...
     
  3. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    No additional details, but it's now in print.

    Grant Wahl on Miami and SRFC
    :
    This reporting still contradicts the press conference information about Miami.
     
  4. bremen24

    bremen24 Member

    Jul 12, 2014
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    How stringent are the contractual requirements likely to be? Especially given the contract was written in 2007. MLS requirements have come a long way since then. Beckham might be trying to satisfy more recent requirements but if the contract specifies less restrictive requirements he could decide to play at FIU and force the issue.

    Or maybe the contract has some vague language about 'acceptable' facilities or whatnot, while I am no lawyer, I think the very recent example of MLS awarding a franchise playing in Yankee Stadium would be good for Beckham should this situation result in a lawsuit.

    I think MLS is in a position where they can't say 'no' to Beckham without huge legal fights that they could easily lose.
     
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  5. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    This certainly seems to be the case. They probably could ditch him (pay him off), but it would certainly cost the league dearly. And they don't need to do that. They want to go to Miami, after all. MLS, in effect, has to save a spot for him. That's the hang-up right now.

    The question is, once the league fully admits that they're going beyond 24 (the recent language was only that they'd evaluate going beyond 24), then all of a sudden more spots will be open. At that point are they really going to halt expansion waiting for him? No way. They'll still save him a spot, but instead of being 1 of 24 places, it'll be 1 of 28 or 32 (or 40!).

    So even if things really fall apart in Miami, MLS won't renege on the deal. His expansion spot will still be secure. But if there's a significant delay, the league will move on with expansion to other places. MLS is growing and wants to grow. They can't put that on hold waiting for Beckham, and they won't.
     
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  6. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    What really sucks is that you have a rabid fanbase and a city with a proven track record of pro sport team support that now is viewed as a concession to a city who has already failed MLS once, failed NASL before that, and has precisely eff-all of public support for their expansion team.

    Unbelievable.
     
  7. sugit

    sugit Member

    Feb 5, 2010
    Sacramento
  8. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My hunch is that public funds in Minneapolis is a non-factor. Ownership is very well-heeled and they don't need public funds to build what is a pretty cheap stadium compared to those of the other major sports. They've just approached government because the worse that can happen is govt. says no.

    That just leaves haggling over parking, infrastructure and the like.
     
  9. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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  10. fortunesfool223

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Dec 26, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that whole article was just.............odd. if its all true, the Miami efforts are sinking fast.
     
  11. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes because I am sure MLS has made all its decisions not knowing anything about the true nature of Beckham's ownership group.

    I still say either Miami has it together or MLS just lied to Johnson and Sacramento.
     
  12. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    What it says to me is that the interest in having MLS in Miami is far more ardent in Mr. Garber's office than it is in the city where the team is actually to be placed.

    This whole thing is All About Beckham. The simpler path would have been to give Beckham LAFC and be done with it, or perhaps even give him a chunk of the Pink Cows once NYCFC starts cannibalizing them.
     
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  13. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am incredibly bullish on Sacramento's chances, especially after reading that article, it just re-enforces how much of a total cluster Miami is, and if its been a cluster for this long.......its not going to be any less of a cluster by the end of the year. They dont have a clue, they have little local government sense, and that bodes well in Sac's favor, who just played this game with the Kings.
     
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  14. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure seems like an MLS 1.0 POV they're taking with regard to Miami. Forcing a team into a region they want rather than into a region that has shown interest in the sport and has a budding to explosive fan effort.
     
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  15. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Garber during yesterday's 'Quakes/Fire broadcast:

    "We never thought we would get, when we were at 10, to 14, then at 16, then we have a goal for 24. We’re really evaluating going past that. We’ve got a couple more decisions we need to make. I imagine some time in, you know, the next year or so, we’re going to lay out the plan for how large this league can be."

    Care to guess what one of those decisions will be?
     
  16. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who'll come first, Sacramento or Miami?
     
  17. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    he beat around the bush on that pretty well on that trying to avoid it, he was just saying how nice it would be to have miami in the league and that they are hoping it works out, etc, etc, etc. I think the due lip service was given there. I think everyone has an idea of just how dire Miami is. I think this time next year, Sacramento is named in due to Miami's ineptitude.
     
  18. QuietType

    QuietType Member+

    Jun 6, 2009
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they're going to try to plan out what expansion will look like in the next round before they do that. That is what is driving the real time line I think, other than they simply prefer Miami. But IF they decide to give Sacramento 24 and push Miami back, they're going to have specifically what the expansion past that will look like so Miami is as lined up as they can be.
     
  19. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. antnee7898

    antnee7898 Member

    Oct 19, 2007
    South Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. mangerson

    mangerson Member+

    Sacramento Republic, San Jose Earthquakes
    Jan 8, 2008
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think ownership has plenty of dough to fund. They're just seeing if they can get anything chipped in. Doesn't hurt to ask, as long as you're more diplomatic than Beckham.
     
  22. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    You might want to check the date on that article.

    And mull that Chivas USA bit too.
     
  23. sugit

    sugit Member

    Feb 5, 2010
    Sacramento
    Doh!! That was just dumb of me...lol
     
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  24. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    In light of this development, I actually thought that old article was rather timely.
     
  25. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    So with MNU apparently getting their "privately" funded stadium, Atlanta playing in the Stankonia Dome, and Miami now actually feeling some heat at their feet, the next contestant for MLS Expansion Follies is Los Angeles.

    So is the Undead Corpse of Chivas going to bunk in with Galactofilth at the Stubby, or are they getting a new stadium somewhere, anywhere in the basin? Or does anybody know?
     

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