The Catch All CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) Thread

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  1. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, aren't some of those folks at the bottom better described as "want nots?"
     
  2. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    That's a fun graphic. There's really two issues related to spending, (1) teams being allowed to spend as much as they want and (2) teams being constrained to spend the same amount of money but everyone having to pony up more.

    I'm still skeptical that teams for (1) and (2) make up a majority. RSL is taking things seriously, but I also think they're on a pretty tight budget and if you asked them to come up with an extra $2 million per year they would balk. Same thing for KC. They clearly care about their team, but I don't see them actually spending a lot of money.

    On the other hand, teams like Chicago and NE are now spending money, although their operations still seem pretty cheap.
     
  3. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not that bad. As someone who was born in Long Beach, CA and grew up a bit in N. London (one of the more deprived areas in the country) it's no worse than other major cities. It's not dangerous enough to make me think twice about living in either city, because those are lifestyles I prefer.

    Actually since I was little Long Beach and the LA metro area are much different, record low crime rates. Most of the deprived areas in London are being gentrified which is a sore topic. The Olympics and projects similar to what Spurs new stadium is linked to are slowly pushing people out of London or dispersing communities to other areas.

    Italy was far more dangerous than London, especially where I lived in Naples. Rome is no joke either, that's partly why AS Roma are building a stadium clear across the city, much safer area for fans which is an issue with many Italian clubs these days.
     
  4. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I once got stuck on the 405 viaduct in Long Beach (over the Atlantic Blvd) after my old Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon Fastback happened to just die there after an AC/DC concert (which was, naturally, held in the Long Beach Arena during the KNAC days). Cops put flares around the vehicle and called up a towing service. A nice trip home at about 3 AM.

    I spent some time in Rome way back when and thought that street crime was limited to basic theft and pick pocketing but I rarely ventured out in the dead of night, as the police sirens were aplenty ... albeit, nothing compared to Hollywood, where the sirens were drowned out by the propeller noise from the overhead police helicopters.

    Crime in Ladispoli di Civitavecchia was almost non-existent and we walked at night freely.
     
  5. Macksam

    Macksam Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Brampton, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I always thought LA county was like the North American equivalent to Kandahar, lol. At least that's how all those Gangland documentaries like to depict it as.
     
  6. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    I hear sirens once maybe twice a year.
     
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  7. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    That's such a great graphic, I really hope they update it. Notably, the Revs added $3.25M Jermaine Jones during the year, so last year's top five spending clubs appear to have been the four playoff semi-finalists plus TFC.

    Also of note: the popularity of DP's (and resulting unbalanced player incomes) continues to grow. MLS has already signed 13 more DP's in 2015. That's almost as many as they signed in all of 2013 (14).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Player_Rule
     
  8. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jake Cohen @JakeFCohen
    I spoke to 2010 MLS CBA mediator a while back, said negotiations prior to mediation back then were "disastrous."
    2:32 PM - 12 Feb 2015
     
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  9. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well it depends, do you believe they actually lose or make money from operations? And if their unwillingness to lose more money (or go back to losing money/ take in lower profits) means they are "want nots".
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Collective investment? TV revenue not being shared equally but based on number of DPs on your team?

    I guess one way would be to use expansion fee money (or selling another share of SUM) and use that money to buy players.
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, what I mean by "want nots" is "people who HAVE money, but don't want to spend it."

    Kroenke has money. He wanted to pay a GM $32,000 a year several years back or something. Hauptmann has money, and either doesn't part with it or spends it stupidly.

    I didn't mean everybody on the bottom of the list. But Kroenke, for sure, can afford to spend and chooses not to. Certainly not a "have not" situation.
     
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  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh no doubt, MLS has billionaire / multi-millionaire owners, so MLS owners can go out and spend tons of money, Russia style, but I imagine that those "cheap" owners would prefer to not spend much more than what their revenues can cover or at least not increase their cost in a way that costs way outpace revenues.
     
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  13. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I also tend to look at have vs have nots based on revenue, not based on ownership wealth.
     
  14. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    #2789 tab5g, Feb 13, 2015
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    And disaster was averted 5 years ago, so that certainly gives a good bit of hope now.

    Mediators get things done. But certainly a "more factious" ownership group in 2015 may indeed be having some difficulty even agreeing with itself and deciding what it should collectively do and agree to as a single-entity.

    Ideally, and no matter how the negotiations have gone up until now during the offseason, now that a federal mediator is involved, there's an even better chance, imo, of the season starting on time (or not being much delayed).

    Who knew America loved soccer so much? Thanks big govt, you jerks.
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hinchey is reportedly the lowest paid club President (or equivalent title) in the league. Pareja was reportedly the lowest paid coach in the league and I'm sure that hasn't changed with Pablo.
     
  16. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    I thought all of those salaries were rightly adjusted for use at altitude.
     
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  17. Lancaster FC

    Lancaster FC Member+

    Oct 2, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not saying LA is the safest place in the world, but LA is changing. Gentrification is happening. I drove through Compton on my way home from a LAG game. Let's just say I saw more Starbucks than gangsters. I wouldn't have walked it, but 10 years ago I wouldn't have driven it either.
     
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  18. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    $32k for a GM position? You have got to be kidding me.
     
  19. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    I'm just wondering when the GMs and coaches are going to form a union and demand a CBA.

    Probably never. But it is interesting that players are contracted to the league (single-entity), but the staff are contracted to the franchises (beyond and independent from the single-entity).
     
  20. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And yet, there would be no league had people not spent more than their revenues could cover for, oh, the first 18 years or so.
     
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  21. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And worth every penny, correct?
     
  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct, if you see who seems to be balking at the idea of spending more, it look slike the old guys that were around for those 18 years (and Hauptmann with the Montreal guy) those that seem to be in the camp for spending more are the new guys and the Galaxy.

    Perhaps it is a feeling of [we have been losing money for 18 years, and you guys want us to increase spending to keep losing money].

    But if that is the argument, maybe it is time for the old guys to cash out and sell the teams to owners willing to make that investment.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kroenke's in the middle.

    He wasn't really an old guy and he's not really a new guy.

    He's just cheap.
     
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  24. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Maybe, but I do wonder what the demand is, especially for lived-in, warts-and-all franchises.
     
  25. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    FWIW, the players pretty much have to threaten to strike or they have no cards to play. They can't exactly say, "we won't track back on defense and will instead kick the ball for throw-in's a lot more often" - a soccer equivalent of "slow work" - to respond to management offers.

    And, of course, they can later claim moral superiority that the strike was averted.
     

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