News: Rapids 2015 Pre-season Catch-all thread

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  1. JackSwaninCO

    JackSwaninCO Member

    Feb 21, 2014
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    Swansea City AFC
    #301 JackSwaninCO, Feb 10, 2015
    Doyle was a stable but never prolific goal scorer for the Wolves, no matter which division they were in, which I'm sure contributed to his falling out of favor there. The fans liked him though and I've got some mixed feelings on this. I recall cheering him on as well as relying heavily on him in football manager, but hes not the goal scoring machine i was hoping we'd pull out of the hat.
     
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  2. Bridgeman

    Bridgeman Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Feb 25, 2006
    Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #302 Bridgeman, Feb 10, 2015
    The more competition the better. (Doyle) I like bringing in experience from other top leagues and mixing it up. Giving Pablo as many tools as possible is ok with me. The trick is putting together a cohesive lineup and giving it a chance to jell and learn to play together. The Rapids have got to score more goals.
     
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  3. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    #303 jayd8888, Feb 10, 2015

    To me the real difference maker is the willingness from KSE to spend. It changes everything.
     
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  4. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #304 m vann, Feb 10, 2015
    Doyle has a proven track record in the Premier League and the Championship. The guy at the height of his career was quite the player. He was loaned from Wolves, a Championship side, to Crystal Palace in the EPL until January. I don't know all of the details about why PT was slim to none. I do know, however, Wolves have had all kinds of financial issues so getting his salary off the books is a must. Despite sitting just outside the playoffs in the Championship they've dumped some good, albeit high earners, in the last year.

    Doyle has battled some injuries over the last few seasons but when healthy he is a very good and productive player. IIRC, he can play the #9 role. His hold up play is exceptional; great in the air, and can distribute well with his back to goal. He's not the type of #9 that will score 15+ goals but can easily create just as many as he scores. Doyle's effectiveness is not always represented in stat lines. IF Doyle is healthy then he could be the centre forward we have longed for.
     
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  5. SoccaJ

    SoccaJ Member

    Colorado Rapids
    Jun 25, 2007
    Firestone, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #305 SoccaJ, Feb 10, 2015
    This, in particular, would make him a quality addition. It would be nice to see what the likes of Torres/Brown can do with a quality #9 supporting them
     
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  6. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
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    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #306 m vann, Feb 10, 2015
    As mentioned, when Doyle lined up for Reading they were quite the team to watch. The lived and died by the counter attack. Doyle played a pivotal role. They were fast and transitioned with great movement. Doyle was the pivot man, the #9, and it was fun to see him slinging passes to Leroy Lita, Steven Hunt, Dave Kitson, and Shane Long running off him. A young Steven Sidwell, the pseudo #10, would be the link from defense to attack and would find Doyle like clockwork to do his thing. Everyone in their attack was a threat to score but their defense was pretty horrid evident by their inability to really crack the top 8 in the league table. Marcus Hahnemann bailed them out and kept them in games but man they were fun to watch. Like I said, if Doyle is healthy I can see him having the same effect. He's not going to "wow" you but you will certainly see the benefits of his inclusion.
     
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  7. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    #307 jayd8888, Feb 10, 2015
    The more I think about it this morning, the more I hope both names pan out.
     
  8. xingyiz

    xingyiz Member

    Mar 26, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    #308 xingyiz, Feb 10, 2015
    I wish the Rapids didn't seem to always drag out their off-season acquisitions with the supposed big signings missing a lot of the pre season camp. Kind of looks like they are trying, but, I'm in the wait and see camp. I still think our biggest problem is coaching. Maybe Pablo learned something in England and from his first year...I hope so.
     
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  9. Rod1916

    Rod1916 Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Colorado
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    Colorado Rapids
    #309 Rod1916, Feb 10, 2015
    Thinking about Doyle (and his age), I am OK bringing in someone on the older end of the spectrum as a DP. We have lots of youth, including (most likely) Ramirez. having someone with experience (such as Sanchez) should be good to help the youngsters mature.

    As long as he still has a few good years left, that is. :)
     
  10. fischerw

    fischerw Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    Joplin, MO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    #310 fischerw, Feb 10, 2015
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  11. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    #311 Quinn 33, Feb 10, 2015
    This is important right here, because that is exactly what our squad has sorely lacked since Casey left. A guy like that can hold up play and dish the ball out to speedy guys like Brown and Torres.
     
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  12. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #312 JasonMa, Feb 10, 2015
    I'm in the same minority.
    How dare you insult Buddle by forgetting him! :D
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #313 JasonMa, Feb 10, 2015
    Looking at the ESPN story this seems to maybe be a mid-year move:
    My thought though was that if he's not expected to feature maybe Wolves will cut him free early. Then I read this:

    So it sounds like, understandably, he doesn't want to leave Wolves until after his child is born. So we're probably looking at a mid-summer addition if we sign him.
     
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  14. Quinn 33

    Quinn 33 Member+

    Apr 25, 2003
    Denver, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    #314 Quinn 33, Feb 10, 2015
    Is that really a minority opinion?

    Mari was a great guy and solidly an above average MLS midfielder...but Sarvas was the heart and engine of the current MLS Cup champions, and a major reason why LA were so good last year.

    Step 1: Stand around.
    Step 2: The ball is played to you.
    Step 3: Turn the ball over by losing out to defenders or blasting it over the goal.
    Step 4: ?????
    Step 5: Profit!
     
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  15. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
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    Celtic FC
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    United States
    #315 m vann, Feb 10, 2015
    Funny you should mention Casey but there definite comparisons to be made. Doyle is a little more mobile and can play from a wide position if called upon unlike Casey. However, Doyle has that same purposeful first touch that I've always loved and respected about Casey. That touch sparks plays, keeps plays intact, and keeps a defense honest. That peripheral vision -- where you almost in one motion receive, turn, and hit a player diagonally in stride is near identical to Casey. Doyle might have a slight edge in his ability to be a nuisance in the box but ever so slightly. I think Doyle is/was the better player but they are similar in their approach and effectiveness. I just hope that Doyle is healthy and has plenty left in the tank. If so I will jump on board and be happy a true #9 is with us.
     
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  16. jcaleo

    jcaleo Member

    Nov 3, 2006
    #316 jcaleo, Feb 10, 2015
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  17. Jimmydinho

    Jimmydinho Member+

    Jul 6, 2007
    Denver, CO, USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #317 Jimmydinho, Feb 10, 2015
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  18. fischerw

    fischerw Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    Joplin, MO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #318 fischerw, Feb 10, 2015
    Whatever happens with Kevin Doyle, I have to say, I'm finding myself feeling less cynical about the Rapids FO and the commitment to improving the squad. Wining and dining a guy and taking him to a luxury box at the Nuggets game? That all sounds like stuff I would have thought just wouldn't happen. I considered it beyond the reach of the way KSE was trying to do everything on the cheap.
     
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  19. Jimmydinho

    Jimmydinho Member+

    Jul 6, 2007
    Denver, CO, USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #319 Jimmydinho, Feb 10, 2015
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    Huh? besides the likely discounted dinner and airfare everything else was basically free.

    but I also get what you are saying. we are actually trying it seems.
     
  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #320 JasonMa, Feb 10, 2015
    Yep, same old same old. The one thing that seems to be missing in Tim's explanation of 2014 is why it happened. He said they didn't have enough depth. Well, yeah, that's something the fans identified very early in the season, yet there's never an explanation as to why the roster was constructed that way. I'm glad they've identified what the problem was, but have they identified what they did wrong to end up in that situation?
     
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  21. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    #321 jayd8888, Feb 10, 2015

    This Hinchey comment:

    No stats to back this up but to me it has felt like the Rapids choked those games away at a rate higher than the home matches with average or less attendance. But yes, completely 100% better atmosphere, something that should happen every single game.
     
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  22. Jimmydinho

    Jimmydinho Member+

    Jul 6, 2007
    Denver, CO, USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #322 Jimmydinho, Feb 10, 2015
    Tim has mentioned that several times before, about his irritation that a lot of our sellout or most attended games being boring 0-0 ties and even losses and was a part of Gary Smiths departure, the hiring of Pareja and the whole re-vamp of the team "philosophy". I leave you to judge its success.
     
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  23. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    #323 jayd8888, Feb 10, 2015

    That article also makes me think that we should keep a tab on Calvert this preseason.
     
  24. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    #324 jayd8888, Feb 10, 2015

    I don't think anyone is saying that. Well maybe you, since you are using the almighty La Liga as your ace in the hole. What I believe is, in any league, MLS or La Liga, Sarvas would have more success than Mari because hes a better player, and I hope this assumption plays out tremendously for the Rapids this season.
     
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  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #325 JasonMa, Feb 10, 2015
    Though Gary "departed" while Plush was in charge (nominally). I do know that Plush was also less than pleased with how Gary treated some high profile games (like the CCL) though.
     
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