Yeah, from what I can tell he is pretty into his team emotionally. One fan complained about him cursing out the ref during the game because his "family" was there on their FB page. In the end I blame it on Doran, or the players not following his direction... Not to sure. They made some poor decisions at the end of the game. However the officiating was very bad by Wilford Brimley. He was made a horrible call against Paul when he was way behind the play. But any how it's indoor soccer officiating. Still about as bad as it has been for the last 20 years or so...
The whole game was poorly officiated, and that's being nice calling it that. They let it get away from them early and never caught up to calling hardly anything. Always behind on calls. They should have known it was going to be like that with the way the utter two games went in Wichita. St Louis git frustrated in all three and it showed. I don't even know what Doran and Andrew were complaining about. If it was the tying goal, it was evident there was .01 left when ut scored. If anyone should complain it should be Wichita for the three very quick restarts resulting in goals. But you didn't see Kim over there crying!
Maybe we finally found something MASL has in common with the FOUR ethnic indoor soccer leagues in Chicago The refs suck
I attended the game. Haines & Doran had legit complaints - the goal at the end of regulation was legal but the refs gave the game to Wichita with 2 power plays ( and goals) they should not have gotten. Wichita's GK clobbered an Ambush player late & not even a foul called. Worst officiating I have ever seen for indoor soccer. Truly those refs should be fired. They missed calls against Wichita too but most late calls were against the Ambush. I am with Haines & Doran here. The MASL is looking more like a bush league each game. Wichita just took the gifts given to them, they played a bit better at the end - I have no issue with the other team, but I do have issue with several refs playing for Wichita in the 4th quarter.
I'd love to see Andrew Haines try to officiate an MASL game, or a U10 AYSO game for that matter. If the Ambush want fewer fouls and penalties called against them maybe they should stop committing so many fouls and penalties.
Just this season alone, we have had the two worst-officiated games in indoor history. Pretty impressive. And I have no doubt people believe there are legitimate complaints about officiating. That is and has always been true. It's the manner of expressing those concerns that serves to further degrade the professionalism of the league. And, lastly... 1) There have ALWAYS been complaints about officating in indoor. 2) Most of them come from people who ( a ) have never officiated anything in their lives and ( b ) don't realize how different a game looks from on the field than in the stands or watching on replay. 3) We have made - and continue to make - indoor a very difficult game to officiate with the rules that change constantly. 4) It's going to be very challenging to attract and retain quality officials in sports with low pay, hack players and games that get cancelled at the last minute in fly-by-night leagues because owners don't have any money.
Skipper I agree with you however Andrew Haynes is not pretending to be a referee, he's not claiming to be a referee, just as an owner who wants this league to do things correctly. Kenna point is actually very valid as well. We are always changing the rules we are always changing leagues and we are always changing in this game.
We ALL want that to happen. Not everybody - especially those who are supposed to be the grownups, those who are actually, you know, running and investing in the league - acts like a petulant child when calls don't go their way. But I guess the officials have had it out for this guy for a year and a half now, given his two teams are a combined 9-45 lifetime. It's a hard game to officiate, with a lot of judgment calls (many of which, again, look different from their angle than from yours). And it's so unlike outdoor in the rules and the remedies for violations that I can't blame guys for having a tough time when they do one pro game a week. (That said, again, there are and have always been poor officials in the indoor game. Would you go out there and do that? There are and have always been good officials as well.) And here's the Ambush's official release on it. Please, God. Please. I expect Lewis to not know how to use the language. But please hire people who know the difference between its and it's.
Let me preface this by saying, I only watched the fourth quarter and OT so I can't judge the refereeing in the first 3 quarters. Going into the 4th, Wichita had been issued three penalties to zero for the Ambush. The two penalties in the 4th issued to VandeGriffe were both legit. On the first, he had a handful of the Wichita attackers jersey from behind and on the second he was way late on the tackle. Both were correct calls IMO, and very poor decision making on the part of VandeGriffe. Go back and watch the tape. It's pretty clear. The missed foul call on the GK late in the quarter was obvious, however it did not lead to a goal the other way and was very inconsequential in the games outcome. With 18 seconds left in regulation, the Ambush merely needed to send the restart into either attacking corner, challenge from there, and the game most likely ends without Wichita crossing half field. Instead, Cory Dowell sends the restart right to the GK which creates a 5 v 4 situation coming the other way and ends up in the back of the Ambush net, with well over .01 remaining. It was more like .08 when the ball crossed the line. Simply put, this game was lost due to the Ambush failing to play intelligently and executing in the fourth quarter, and not due to poor officiating. And this opinion comes from a St. Louisan who was pulling for the Ambush to win the game.
That was surreal. I remember watching that in real time and feeling for Al because they had no idea what was going on. (You could have said that about that entire MISL Game of the Week deal in 2007-2008.)
Speaking of the petulant child part, he followed up his earlier rants with "Retweet if you thinks the refs suck". Yes, that was copied verbatim. A real professional league would fine his chunky ass (after they stopped laughing of course).
Oh, the fanboys and their "director of digital media" liked it and retweeted it without prompting. Because this is all vitally important stuff that demands righteous indignation.
I like it. When refs do a bad job and the team owner calls them out... Well that typically doesn't happen but when the director of media does it... Well that doesn't happen much either. Hell forget it, I just hate refs and love when they get bashed!
since you know them or trained them or coached them i am sure they are top notch. If not i am sure you could get them some ethnic league time to brush up....on there skills that is
I've been to three games so far. I'm no expert, but the officiating has seemed good in those games to me. It seemed like one official in the recent Tulsa-Chicago game did a good job of calming players in a couple of tense situations just by hearing them out and talking to them.
Obviously, referees are the targets of venom in every sport at one point or another. But by the owner of the team? On twitter? With sentences containing “if you thinks”? I’m guessing his rich daddy bought him a Soccer team to play with.
I wouldn't say yelling at refs is half the fun of attending an indoor soccer game, but it's at least 15%. Last home game there was a boys soccer team, guessing around 9 years old, who would start chanting, "I'm blind! I'm deaf! I wanna be a ref!" every time there was questionable calls against the home team. It was all good fun and kept them watching the game, so I fully support giving refs a hard time. Just gotta do it in clean ways since there are always kids around.