What tatters. Or could it be due to our players not having enough experience at the top level? Anyway, the TS' legacy the past decade is too great and the management will have no guts to let him go. A Ralf Rangnick will be my top choice.
I'm still with Schaaf. The issues I see on the pitch are not due to poor tactics. Fire him if we're relegated, if not, keep him. Firing him will fix nothing.
It's all about personnel. Not Thomas Schaaf, it's a same because he is a coach who truly loves the team and Won't fear to use young talents. Fullkrug could've had a breakout season this year, but his injury hurted his chance. Next season, the new coach may or may not like him as much as Schaaf does
Wow, one day before the season was over. It is the right decision to give a new coach a chance, but I would have liked to have Schaaf in charge at the last match of the season, now that relegation is reached. So, all I can say is thank you TS for 14 years in charge of Werder, with good and bad times, brilliant offensive play, catastrophic defensive mistakes, titles and relegation battles. I hope you stay connected with Werder and wish you good luck for the future. Kirsten19: I expect Werder to continue giving young players chances in the future. The youth department will be restructerized this summer and with former player Skripnik the reserve gets a good coach. For next season Eichin will most likely add some experienced players, but young players will hopefully get better chances to make the jump from the reserve into the BL team than in the past.
Its unfortunate to see Schaaf's tenure end in a whimper like this, but its has been coming for more than three years, alles gute TS!! Interesting times ahead. I wonder who will be coach? I still believe the quality in our squad enables a possibility to fight for EL next season.
Just to make sure everyone has their facts straight: It was Eichin and the management who decided that Schaaf was done, it was Schaaf who decided that he would leave before the last match of the season and not afterwards. The funny thing is that Eichin only got his job after Schaaf gave his approval in the winter. Personally, I think this is a huge mistake and it makes me fear for Werder. Allofs and Schaaf were the two constants at Werder for so many years. Arnautovic and de Bruyne are leaving the club, too, I'm starting to feel pity, which is really the worst thing in sports, as Bela Reti said so correctly during the Barcelona home game against Bayern two weeks ago. If I understand Werder's financial situation correctly, they simply won't have the cash to pay for the likes of Magath or Rangnick. If you ask me, Huub Stevens might be up to the task, affordable and the right man to Schaaf has been the closest thing we have to a German Ferguson and not just because of the length of his tenure. As a HSV fan there have certainly been times when I hated him, but I have the greatest respect for the man and the coach.
Really weird, isn't it? So far about Eichin's comment "Thomas Schaaf steht absolut nicht zur Disposition"... Anyway, a likeable person & manager with great merits for Werder is leaving the stage. Good luck for the future!
If I understand HSV's financial situation correctly HSV is bankcrupt. Not even an investment by billionaire Kühne could prevent the club from having a higher deficit than us. Not to speak of HSV debts from decades of big spending without success ... Well, that is rivalry. To be honest, currently I wish both of our clubs luck to overcome tricky times and play the derby as strong clubs. Eichin did not really take a position "pro or contra Schaaf" for the future. He took the risk to finish the relegation battle with Schaaf and stregthened his position during that time. But last week he said in another interview that when the season is over the club management will meet to analyse the situation and decide about the clubs future. They made the meeting earlier and came to the decision that they don't want to continue working with Schaaf. Some "pro Schaaf fans" call Eichin in the forums a regicide, that has reached nothing in his life, but destroys the Werder family. "Contra Schaaf fans" praise Eichin as a brave person, who finally ended the nighmare with Schaaf, who got nothing rights in the last years and become only a shadow of the coach he has once been. On which side one wants to stand is an individual decision. I tried to take a look on numbers. We saw the 2 worst spring seasons in the club history, players that were fielded out of their usual position and showed bad performances. We saw a team that can not win when it has to win (at least they drew and the other bottom teams were to weak to use our weaknesses). We saw risky transfers that turned into bad transfers. We saw youngsters leaving the club (Harnik, Kruse, Diekmeyer to name a few) that made it to starters at other BL clubs, while talents at Werder seem to stagnate. All these points were finally seen by the Werder club management. It is clear that Schaaf is not the only one responsible for all these deficits. There are many persons that did not work as a team behind the team well. Some heads already rolled last week (especially at the youth/reserve department). If it were the rights heads that rolled will be seen in the future. I expect like HSV-Jung a tricky time for Werder, but in contrast I don't see dark for the future. It is a chance for Werder, but it must be used wisely.
I was up at 4 am CST when I unintentionally surfed to the WB homepage. It was difficult to be at work with internet and not participate! I also tip my hat to TS for 10 remarkable seasons but fart in his general direction for the last 4. Can't wait to see where he ends up. We should find his all-time stats and post them here as a testament! Other than that, the sun will rise as usual and I doubt the club is anywhere near recievership - and if they were, I don't think we know about it until it actually happened. Werder will rule the North again, you will see. These are my final thoughts on Sir Thomas Schaaf: If he was a rock, he would be a diamond If he was an animal, he would be the loyal Shepherd If he were a plant, it would be the Pineapple Express and not the Schnicklefritz If he were pants, he'd be the baggy kind. If he was a shoe, it would be the chewed-up huas shu kind. If he was dinner, it would Kasslar or Paar Kartofeln If he was my dentist, I'd pull my own teeth, thanks! If he was unemployed, he wouldn't be for long. If you see the man, shake his hand - and tell him "Bravo - from Winni!"
I really appreciate the summary, EE. I had spent all day disappointed with Schaaf leaving - but after being reminded of Harnik, Kruse, Diekmeyer, not to mention Rolfes from a few years earlier - I think its for the best - let us start anew.
@ "Eisenfuß" Eilts: The HSV financial situation is not nearly as bad as the media would have people believe. Apart from the stadium mortgage, HSV was completely debt free until they incurred the first annual deficit of 4.6 million two years ago. In two years HSV will have their stadium completely paid off and nine million extra per season to pay off debts and play around with. Their real financial problem is a current tightness with respect to liquidity. But on another note, I didn't write what I wrote to gloat. I've been hearing and reading the names of Rangnick and Magath mentioned several times by Werder fans since yesterday and even before. Both of them have been paid annual salaries significantly north of EUR 6 million over the last years, HSV could never afford them, either. It's simply unrealistic. Stevens is a much more feasible option, financially. Personally I believe that a huge problem is that Werder has lost all of it's "leaders" on and off the pitch over the past two or three years: Frings, Mertesacker, Naldo, Wiese, Allofs and now Schaaf. Diego, Marin and Özil were never "leaders" and Hunt and Fritz aren't up to the task, apparently and Eichin has all the charm and aura of my desklamp. If anyone were to ask me, I'd say get Wiese back as quick as possible. He'll be grateful to be rescued from Hoffenheim and I would almost bet that he doesn't have a contract for 2. Bundesliga play so he'll be looking for a way out anyway. That should improve your defense greatly right away, there's no transfer fee and he may even have become more modest about his salary. Then make him captain right away. I know Fritz has done it for a long time, I think he's a decent player and there are no questions about his attitude or engagement, he just lacks the personality. It was exactly the same story with Westermann at HSV. I don't think it's a coincidence that they've played much better since van der Vaart has become captain a few weeks ago. You need a certain type of personality in the captain when the going gets rough.
The biggest problem I see with Stevens is that he does nothing but blue (Hertha, Schalke, HSV) or red teams (Köln, PSV, Red Bull Salzburg). Who knows if he can even function in green.
I share the observation that we have a lack of experience on the pitch. Werder has this season the lowest average rooster age of all BL teams with 23.7 years. Fritz (32), Lukimya (27), Hunt (26), Gebre Selassie (26), Elia (26) and Akpala (26) are the only players older than 25. I expect the Werder management to add 3+ experienced players to the team. I have doubts about a Wiese comeback, but I would not be surprised to see a new experienced goalie to fight with Mielitz and Raphael Wolf for the goalie position.About the profile for a new coach, Werder seems to look for a relative young coach with coaching experience.
I've heard Thomas Tuchel mentioned as a possible transfer target. I think I like this idea much better than Mehmet Scholl. Tuchel seems like the next Klopp to a lot of people, and we would be a great step up from his current position.
In the last match we played at a world-class team, one can loose there, but you should try to play football. Werder made no single shot on target. That never happened in the Bundesliga since data analysis was introduced (early 90s). I know Dutt and Eichin have no easy job due to the budget given by the club and I don't expect us to do well under the circumstances. But the minimum I want to watch is a team that tries it. Dutt evidently cannot prepare our team to show this minimal level, the players don't seem to know what they are doing and partwise play out of position. Close to one thrid of the BL season is played and we have no single win. And based on the last match performance this standing is deserved. The club management must take a decision.
Dutt has run out of ideas. Budgetary constraints have affected us but I believe we still have a collection of players who can compete on a consistent basis. However, Dutt has not enough nearly enough to get the maximum output from this group. The four draw results we've had this season could have each easily been victories. Players' finishing was poor but a large part of responsibility should be on the coach for lack of alertness and execution. A cohesive system should be a balance in the connection between coach and team. The game against Bayern was hitting rock bottom. He has to win the next 2 matches, no more excuses.
May Lorenz (Champion with Werder in 1965) made an interesting statement: "He (Dutt) praises the players too much. Solely with nice guys you won't avoid relegation. I think one should also say in public that a players played bad when the player sucked at a match. The guys must handle such critics, they are professionals." I think Max is right, it is an old-school comment. I also have the impression that Werders team is a bunch of pussies, whit super c*nt Clemens Fritz. The guy has a horrible positioning and Clemens tbh.: You cannot play BL standard anymore, please end your career. You are getting worse and worse.
Looks like the Koeln game this weekend is the make or break moment for Dutt. Lose and he's gone, and some are even saying a win may not be enough to save him. Rumor is that Huub Stevens, Thomas Tuchel, and Jens Keller are all in the running to replace him.
Well it looks like Dutt could be let go with this most recent loss. Its obviously not enough to just fire him though. The squad needs money for new talent ASAP.
Unacceptable display. Crucial match in front of the home fans and we come out flat. Dutt is too stubborn and cowardly to make substantial changes. He also doesn't have the ability to rally the team and respond against adversity. This fool is done.
I dont follow bremen...but it hurts to see one of the better sides in the Buli with tradition struggling like this...so my question is ...did Schaaf leave the club on his own account or fans/management wanted him gone?? I always assumed he was the heart and soul of Bremen football club..and by him leaving something special left that club for good....so am asking whats your opinion over his departure? He seems like doing a good job for Einteracht at the moment! greetz ~N
Where should I start? If a coach has a CL/EL roster but plays 3 seasons with it vs. promotion this is a reason to sack him. If a coach fails to promote youth talents like Martin Harnik, Max Kruse and Karim Bellarabi to the first team that is another reason to sack him. If a coach cannot build a stable defense over multiple season this is a reason to sack him. Due to the respect and thankfullness I have towards Schaaf I won't go further. I don't make him mainly responsible for the mess Werder is in and I judge him as a better coach than Dutt, but there were good reasons to sack him.
Skripnik is announced as new Werder head coach, assistant coaches: Florian Kohfeldt, Torsten Frings and Christian Vander. http://www.werder.de/de/profis/news/52236.php