Club Business Thread ** I miei Celtics **

Discussion in 'AS Roma' started by DDR, Apr 16, 2011.

  1. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    Despite what it seems, Roma have barely spent anything in the market the last 3 years, most of the purchases were funded by sales. The only summer we spent heavily was 2011, and I don't think it counts anymore.
     
  2. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'm not a FFP expert (although all the pdf's are available to read on uefa.com - I just can't be bothered to to actually look at them) but I think the basic premise is that clubs are being examined on whether they can maintain some kind of solvency standard.

    I don't think Roma is in any real trouble either but just remember the money garnished from European play is taken in to account the following year.
     
  3. BobanFan

    BobanFan Member+

    Jun 28, 2007
    Club:
    AC Milan
    The British press are suggesting UEFA are looking at clubs that haven't been in Europe last season, as the same thing has happened to Liverpool

     
  4. DDR

    DDR Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
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    Oct 10, 2004
  6. Vulpinous

    Vulpinous Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 15, 2007
    Jersey Shore
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    What was PSG's punishment again? Minimizing the CL roster to 18 instead of 21, all after outrageously spending?

    It's who is in bed with who. And unfortunately, Blatter's son doesn't work for Roma; he works for PSG.
     
  7. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Monaco should be in good shape now. They sold James for like 20 mil more than they bought him for, and we should be fine because 2011 is out of the scope of the FFP regs.

    It still makes me mad though. Who the hell are UEFA to tell Roma, Monaco, Inter, or whomever that they can't spend at a deficit for a few summers to do the necessary overhauls of the roster?

    Someone should investigate United. UEFA hate drug users, and someone was high as a kite when they did their valuation of Fellaini.
     
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  8. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Something like that. They did something similar for City, who have to have more homegrowns than everyone else or something stupid. City still got Mangala, and PSG still got David Luiz and Aurier.
     
  9. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    #4359 waitforit, Sep 25, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2014
    It's their tournament. Their rules. This isn't a human rights violation we are talking about. There is no such thing as a right to play CL
    The tournament is invitation only and if they want to rescind my/your invitation they can But nothing bad will happen to Roma and Liverpool and everyone else per se just that Roma will be forced to limit their spending. And I am sure the Roma management knew the risk and it paid off. AS did Liverpool. CL will cover the deficit.

    United isn't investigated this year the same reason why Roma wasn't investigated last year...no CL/EL
    They would utterly fail if they did but like Roma they toook a risk. if they reach Cl they will earn enough money to offset their losses if not they are missing CL anyway so it wont matter that they are excluded from Europe
     
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  10. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's fine. Come out and say you're a dictatorship, and I won't complain. Until then, they're putting on the facade of being humanitarian, trying to close the wealth gap, etc., and it's fraudulent, corrupt garbage.
     
  11. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I'm just saying here , but United has the revenue to pull this sort of transfermarket and still profit.
    Let that sink in for a second.
     
  12. DCUroma

    DCUroma Member+

    Jul 20, 2009
    Suck it Sensi
    Club:
    AS Roma
    They also have a debt that is getting out of hand and will bite them soon.
     
  13. Vulpinous

    Vulpinous Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 15, 2007
    Jersey Shore
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    They had a profit of 20 million pounds before signing Di Maria I am pretty sure. They then signed him for $100 million and added Falcao's healthy wages on top of it.

    They really make awful choices though.
     
  14. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    for this year maybe.
    The previous years they hadn't spent almost anything (in big team's terms) , United has never splashed the cash on big names or had outrageous markets like Real / Barça / PSG City.
    I'm sure they're more than fine.
     
  15. DCUroma

    DCUroma Member+

    Jul 20, 2009
    Suck it Sensi
    Club:
    AS Roma
    I like the clubs statement on FFP.

    I am very proud to support this club right now, always have been but the transparency right now is excellent.
     
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  16. whill4

    whill4 Moderator
    Staff Member

    AS Roma
    Sep 11, 2011
    Returning Video Tapes
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To me it just seems like a typical protocol from UEFA. Not the warning and threatening to fine nonsense that the media are trying to stir up. Neither Roma or Liverpool's management's sound all that worried.
     
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  17. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
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  18. DDR

    DDR Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Without reading all of it, the basics are that revenue increased by 3% since the previous year. Up to 128 million from 124 million. Losses decreased slightly since the previous year (3.9%) from 40 million to 38.5.

    So we still lose a ton of money every year. Next year will likely look very good thanks to the CL money. Depending on how far we go we might not have loses next year. You can interpret that how you will, but I will say that depending on something which you have no guarantee to participate in is risky business. Roma still needs to increase revenue drastically in my opinion.
     
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  19. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #4371 Khaos, Oct 4, 2014
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2014
    I don't get the debt part.
    Does this mean that without CL football we're LOSING 40m every year?
    If that's so , does this mean we've got (theoretically) 38+40m debts accumulated in 2 years?
    How do we even have money to spend on the market then?

    Also , isn't 61m short term debts and 75m long term debts a ton of money?
     
  20. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those aren't huge numbers comparatively speaking. IIRC, United are/were in the hole a couple hundred million, but a lot of businesses have some debt. I'll defer to someone who does this for a living on how that works.

    The bottom line is that football is a money pit.
     
  21. DDR

    DDR Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Yes Roma loses a lot of money.

    As for having money to spend, every year the owners have gone in with more money. They also have some long term loans with UniCredit which were given around the initial purchase. The most recent time they went in with fresh money (earlier this year) they even asked the small share holders to go in with money.

    Basically Roma is dependent on playing in Champions League in order to break even. It's what did Rosella Sensi in. Under her reign they enter into CL and the accounts looked good. They were able to spend slightly and break even. But as soon as they failed to qualify for CL then the loses being building up.
     
  22. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    So in order to break the vicious cycle , our only way out is to increase our revenue... at least twofold?
     
  23. DDR

    DDR Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    It's hard to say flat out. Yeah revenue needs to increase, but you need to consider in certain situations increased revenue brings increased operating expenses. Take a new stadium for example, it's not unreasonable to imagine that it will cost a lot more to run it. Our even Champions League football, reaching that goal meant giving a lot of players bonuses and increased contracts. So it's difficult to pull a flat number out, but yeah ... revenue needs to increase by a lot.
     

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