The Donovan Omission, Part 3

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  1. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
    Pendleton, OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I've said before, the guys who went to Brazil for the USMNT are all great professionals. They understand that they have to work with the coach they have, whether they agree with him or not. None of them were ever going to cut off their nose to spite their face. They did a great job representing our country.

    Howard may not like or respect JK (or he may love the guy). However, he knows that he needs to do certain things if he wants to play for the Nats again. That said... He has a book coming out in December. I would love to hear an honest assessment of the situation in it. :D
     
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  2. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    that will have to wait until he retires. Harkes banging Waldo's wife right before WC 1998 took at least 10 years to be fully acknowledged.
     
  3. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    Racked up 7 key passes in the last match, to make himself number 2 overall in MLS this season (and #1 among US-eligible NT players).
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Like Bobby Fischer, Landon is retiring while still not far from his peak.
     
  5. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
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    United States
    Let's hope he doesn't push his likeness to Bobby Fischer too far. It can be bitter ending your days in Balkan exile.
     
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  6. Berks

    Berks Member+

    Dec 22, 2010
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    But you know, he's past it.

    :rolleyes:
     
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  7. TheyCallMeBruce

    TheyCallMeBruce Member+

    Jul 22, 2013
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    The last couple of pages I don't have any blocked comments. I guess Spursfan and the other anti-Donovan trolls have given up on their preposterous argument.
     
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  8. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
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    United States
    My argument is that LD is the greatest USMNT player of all time...
    I was only arguing with someone who claimed he never took a break to determine if he wanted to play soccer anymore.
    That was all.
     
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  9. Poachin_Goalz

    Poachin_Goalz Member

    Jun 17, 2002
    Athens, GA.
    Actually you were trolling LD on multiple threads and you only changed your tune when Superdave came on a ripped you a new one.
     
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  10. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
    Pendleton, OR
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  11. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    I am not y lee coyote. I do not think I have been ripping on LD all over the place.
     
  12. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
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    In fact this is my view right here from May 28th...I always thought Landon could help.

     
  13. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
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    Clearly JK chose the 23 that "fit" JK. That JK's choice of what fit JK was detrimental to the USMNT's chances at the WC was exactly the problem with JK, and his choices, as manager of the USMNT. Glad that's now " Als Klahr".
     
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  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The news doing the rounds in South America already:

    http://elcomercio.pe/deporte-total/...retira-octubre-seleccion-eeuu-noticia-1752634

    In October 10 in East Hartford (Connecticut), the most successful player in the history of Unites States soccer will say goodbye to the NT managed by Jürgen Klinsmann in a friendly against Ecuador.

    Landon Donovan, known in the soccer world as "Captain America," will end thus a bright 15 year international career, as announced by US Soccer in its official page.

    -------

    The Mexicans are going to be jealous.
     
  15. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
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    Thats fair. As I said in my post. I felt we could have used him.
     
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  16. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
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    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And then Bruce arena guided the team out in the group stages. So JK should have been more like Arena? Let his stars do as they please and take a quick trip to the World Cup for three games?

    Isn't the comparison I just made ridiculous? Well so are the "JK screwed us because he didn't bring Landon." Who knows what would have happened, maybe he scores against Belgium, maybe he hurts his hammy against Ghana?
     
  17. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
    Pendleton, OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Donovan wouldn't have pulled a hammy against Ghana. He knows his body and is a master at managing his preparation to peak at precisely the right time. That, of course, is one of the reasons that JK cut him from the squad. He wasn't willing to mindlessly follow the "one-size fits all" training regime that over-worked our players and led to the rash of soft tissue injuries in the Ghana match. :p

    That's not really the point, though. The point is that if you take all of the available evidence leading up to the WC Roster selection, 99/100 coaches would have chosen LD for that roster. In hindsight, 999/1000 coaches can see, based on LD's good run of form, and the weaknesses of the USMNT at the WC, that the team could very well have benefited from having Donovan on the roster.

    Klinsmann made a poor decision. At the time the decision was made, most people recognized it as a poor decision. Things played out at the World Cup in very much the way that those criticizing the decision predicted they would.

    Donovan would not likely have been a savior for the team, but he would have given the team a better chance than Brad Davis gave the team.
     
  18. Beadling Boy

    Beadling Boy Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Landon Donovan to get final USA call-up, will play vs. Ecuador in October

    http://www.si.com/soccer/planet-fut...n-usa-usmnt-hartford-ecuador-jurgen-klinsmann

    [​IMG]Photo: Timothy A. Clary/Getty Images
    Landon Donovan will get one final match with the U.S. men's national team, as he will be called in to face Ecuador in October.
     
  19. CarlosE

    CarlosE Member

    Dec 13, 2000
    Calvert County, MD
    You are joking, right? So, one doesn't take one of their best 23 players because maybe he pulls his hammy against Ghana? Do you know how fu**ing ridiculous that sounds?

    So, Argentina and Portugal shouldn't take Messi or Ronaldo, respectively, because they may get injured? I want some of whatever you were smoking when you wrote that incredibly absurd post.

    Bottom line is one takes their best 23 and LD was most certainly one of those players - It wasn't even close. If they get injured once they get to the tournament, oh well . . .
     
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  20. seeds

    seeds Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    NYC
    Cripple is a strong word in this case, but lets remember that we lost our starting striker in the first half of the first game. We also relied on MB to be our creative midfielder at the same time expecting him to take on a deep defensive role, forcing him to run more than any other player in the tourney with decidedly mixed results. As I said many times in this thread while the tourney was on there were moments in each game, especially in the 2nd half and beyond where the options on the field lacked the quickness, vision, passing and game management intelligence that LD still possesses. Finally, in addition to Jozy going down we had two other players who we were counting on to play every minute of every game go down with muscle injuries. If you accept that JK had to push the whole team that hard to compete given our opposition, he did not provide himself with the correct cover for it and LD was one of those major omissions.

    So, correct, the team was not crippled by the LD cut. It was not helped by it either and time and distance should make it clear by now that it was just a bad decision by a coach that simply over thought the issue. JK also handled it with a complete absence of class and respect that LD has every right to feel like he had earned.
     
  21. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
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    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
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    United States
    Fair points all around except the "it played out like those criticizing the decision thought it would" because many that criticized the decision didn't think (dare I say hoped) they wouldn't make it out of the group. And many thought Green should stay home, not Davis specifically.

    The needs of the many come before the needs of the few. There was a team USA before LD and there will be one after. It was never team Landon and Some American Mortals. It's almost September and people are atill upset about a decision from May. Their lives must be perfect
     
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  22. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
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    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
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    SL Benfica
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    United States
    You compared LD to Ronaldo and Messi. And I'm being ridiculous?

    I was not being serious which I prefaced it with. Good reading bro. It's just as absurd as "Landon had a good freekick the other night and we had free kicks agaisnt Belgium!" That I'm reading
     
  23. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I suspect you are being oblivious on purpose. I think he meant in terms of importance to his team, not comparing quality directly.
     
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  24. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
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    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
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    SL Benfica
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    United States
    Even so, a 31 year old LD is as important to a team as a 29 year old cristiano or 26/7 year old messi in 2014 is disingenuous. Especially when most suggest he should take up a Green or Davis place as a sub and part time starter. See the difference?
     
  25. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I prefer Tim Howard's judgement to yours: "still one of our best 2-3 field players".
     
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