Now I'm really worried about Yankee Stadium

notice the tag line.
i would have just said, 'soccer in a soccer stadium.'

 

they do in many ways, who else are you measuring against? Major League LaX? Arena Football? the x games?


so then if there was so much knowledge of resistance to having a SSS in NJ why did they put it there? they had to have known this before hand? no?

who invests millions in a stadium in the wrong area if people don't cross a river?

bottom line: this is de rigor in America to blame low attendance/franchise failure on stadium placement. Heck, I've literally read that Tampa Bay Rays games aren't attended because you have to drive over a bridge to get to the stadium in St Pete's.

funny how tens of thousands of New Yorkers can cross that same river to watch the Giants and Jets.

so maybe it's not New Yorkers, but New York soccer fans?

 

That's the (soccer) context that is more helpful than certainly just considering or mentioning some NFL counter-examples.

 

Newark/Penn, but that's across another river, like OMG!

http://www.panynj.gov/path/harrison-station.html

 

It's also a 1.1 mile walk from Newark Penn to Red Bull Arena, so you're tacking another 20ish minutes on to the trip.

 

I think you might end up being wrong about how I might end up being surprised.

 

Of course.

And, why would we think the same thing?

 

They're still using the 1936 station. The only way in is through a narrow sidewalk with railings and a set of double doors leading to a handful of turnstiles. The crowded sidewalk ends up blocking both the Newark-bound and New York-bound entrances.

Exiting is a little easier, they built a fairly wide set of stairs, and the congestion isn't quite as bad.

Also, the blocks around Newark Penn are pretty seedy around 10PM on Saturday night. I like the walk along Market Street, and nobody's gonna mess with you, but I wonder if it's just something that sends people off not feeling great about their night out.

 

But that's just NJ that generally provides that feeling, right?

 

One of the first times I went to RBA, I parked at the Devils arena and we took the PATH over to the stadium...I think there were traffic issues or something. It was also the first time I had ever driven in New Jersey. On the way home, I needed to get gas for my car, so I stopped at one of the gas stations in that area, and was scared out of my mind by the guy who immediately knocked on my window to pump gas for me. Definitely thought I was about to get robbed.

 

Where did I say develop players? NYCFC clearly exists firstly to extend the brand of Manchester City. If there was any doubt I would have assumed Melbourne City would have served to prove that. Soriano didn't directly admit to it but it was clear if you listened to him on Men in Blazers.

But hey, if you want more direct evidence here's Kreis talking about bringing in U-21 players on loan (Soriano also talks about this) which is the exact relationship that MLS teams have with USL teams and goes against the past accepted practice of MLS only taking on loans with buy options.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...on-kreis-says-team-can-bring-four-manchester-

 

This ground has been traversed a million times but...

The metro hockey situation is not a good comparison...

Indeed very few New Yorkers go to Devils games not because of location but because New York has had a team in the Garden for the last 90 or so years (and not one of the "original six" not even the original NHL team in New York or the Garden). The Devils were started in an attempt to pulls fans out of the Rangers' regional fanbase in New Jersey.

Of the nine big 4 team sports clubs in the metro area six have traditionally been regional teams.

Jets/Giants/Mets/Yankees/Rangers/Knicks...

While the other three started with the idea of pulling fans in Long Island and New Jersey out of the Rangers' and Knicks' regional fanbases.

Islanders/Nets/Devils...

Those teams identified with their near city communities and tried to not be city teams (yet the Nets already and the Islanders in a couple of years will be abandoning that strategy).

Until NYCFC starts next year big league soccer has been a regional sport playing in New Jersey but drawing fans from throughout the metro area since 1977 (with the gap between the NASL and MLS).

Cosmos/Metro/Red Bulls...

We'll find out in the next few years how many current/new fans NYCFC pulls away from us but the fear is that they'll eat into our regional fanbase (as it is...).

 

of course.
it's an idiotic comparison.
but people talk about all sorts of things they know nothing about.

qed.
(for those who don't knwo what 'qed' means... it means 'quod erat demonstrandum.')

 

It's a nice walk too.

 

#InB4thisgetsmovedtoMLSGeneral

 

I have personally been there. There is nothing wrong with the station. What else do you need?
I have personally ridden the train from Manhattan to Harrison to watch a game. I have only done it once, but definitely don't understand what all the fuss is about.

 

There most definitely is an already open PATH station in Harrison a few blocks from the stadium.

 

How many stations (and lines) are open near (and service) Yankee Stadium?

 

I have no idea, but there are several PATH stations in NYC that take you to Harrison. I am not really sure why you need more than one station close to the stadium. It wasn't like it was swapped with people and I arrived 30 minutes before kickoff. It may not be as optimal as some would like but it is definitely not as bad as many have made it out to be. I know all the New Yorkers know this (others may not) but you can use the same MetroCards on the PATH trains that they use for the NYC Subway.

Obviously my opinion isn't as important as people who live there, but as someone who has "been there done that" I didn't find it that bad at all. I would think doing it 16-17 times a year wouldn't be that bad.

 

The super old and super inadequate station is open. It will be re-built over the next few years.

 

IRT line #4 (subway)
IND line D/B (subway)
Metro-North (MTA commuter line from Westchester and beyond in Upstate NY and parts of Connecticut)

The IND subway brings in fans from Long Island and New Jersey transferring from the LIRR and NJ Transit at Penn Station.

Many NYC fans transfer to the 4/D/B from other subway lines.

People travel great distances to come to the Stadium.

Me...I live almost within walking distance up the Concourse but never go to the Stadium...none of my teams play there....

 

Well, this year, thanks to the Port Authority (who run the PATH subway), you can't take PATH from WTC for all of 2014 on weekends, so someone in Lower Manhattan has to go up a bit, adding time (and cost for those without an unlimited MTA subway pass). That's not the Red Bulls fault of course.

And as I just mentioned, the PATH station is decades out of date, something that is due to be fixed over the next few years.

It will also help if the development in the area between the station and the stadium really gets underway.

 

So... if you're a commuter in NYC, you probably have a monthly unlimited fare pass. Yes, you can use a Metrocard on the PATH, but it's not part of the MTA, and your pass doesn't work on it. So to say "you can use your same Metrocard" doesn't reflect the reality that hardly anyone puts cash on an unlimited fare card. They are two distinct systems with no transfers.

You can take the 2, 4, 5, B and D trains to Yankee Stadium. That's a one seat ride from all of Manhattan, any subway accessible part of the Bronx, and all of Brooklyn except the northern end. Only Queens and northern Brooklyn require a two seat ride -- and that's still one fare, unlike the PATH, which is two seats/two fares for anywhere but the West Village through Penn Station on the West Side, plus lower Manhattan.

Is it terrible? Not at all. But one thing you need to understand is that on a weekend and at night, every time you have to change trains, you run the risk of adding another half hour or more to your trip. Living in NYC, you find that a series of small hassles can compound to take the fun out of an evening, and transit issues can be about as joyless a time as you can have.

 

I guess I assumed a station was used for getting on and off trains. If you can do that I am not sure what else you need, but again I admit to not knowing as much as you guys about the transit.