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Discussion in 'AS Roma' started by DDR, Jan 11, 2012.

  1. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    At least they didn't ask for a new airport to handle the away fans traffic, what a joke. I never believed the stadium can get done this fast, but I hope Pallotta and his friends already know how to deal with this, because everyone and their grandmother knew it will happen.

    If you apply the same logic they are using with the stadium project, that means no one in Rome can build or start a business unless he develops everything around it and make sure it doesn't affect the traffic, and then he needs to pay 50% of his profits to the state so the politicians can buy mansions and sit on their asses pretending they are doing something constructive.

    (Its huge land they requesting and it will cause traffic) .. Remind me again why Roma was/is paying tens of millions of taxes every year? And (requesting), apparently Rome is under communist rule and the state owns everything while private property means nothing. The fact that tens of millions were paid(money or shares) to acquire the land means nothing, sounds like they are begging the state to give them land for free like the Goths were.
     
  2. DDR

    DDR Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Don't be ridiculous. Just because you bought some land doesn't mean you can do what you want to it. That is true anywhere in the world.

    I agree it's uncommon for the city to ask a developer to cover infrastructure costs. However if there is no other way to provide these infrastructure improvements then the club must cover them. It's either that or you don't do the project.
     
  3. Vulpinous

    Vulpinous Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 15, 2007
    Jersey Shore
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I'm sorry to be off-track, but about 3 years ago I asked my professor who acquires the cost of transportation and extra infrastructure when developing a stadium; the franchise's owner or the city?

    He said "Google it." ....scumbag.


    If Roma has to pay for the infrastructure surrounding the stadium, that's going to be an insane amount of money.
     
  4. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    The main issue is where does we draw the line between what we can consider an infrastructure for the stadium and what is an infrastructure for the whole city. From what I understand they are expecting AS Roma to rejuvenate roads and metros that go far away from the stadium. If indeed that is the case, then it is ridiculous and shameful from a city like Rome. Moreover, it is borderline bullying and blackmailing. It reflects poorly on the country as a whole and it rebells foreign investors, in this age and time where more countries do the opposite attracting them and their money.

    "you want to build something? Sure, will give you permits but before let us make sure we milk you to the last drop and get as much freebies we could get out of your project"
     
  5. DDR

    DDR Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Not at all true from the things I have read.
     
  6. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    Yeah, its not like they are throwing a stadium just like that, they are making it above all the current stadiums standards in the whole country, and are paying 270M to build infrastructure that they won't own and the state will get for free. Safety standards I understand, parking standards I understand, anti pollution standards I understand, requesting some basic roads I understand, but Metro station, seriously?!

    That explains why its generally a horrible idea to invest in Italy. The return on investment needs to be insane to justify all the infrastructure requirements costs. The (350M) stadium needs to generate something like 100-150M profits( which will be taxed) to justify all the risk and trouble to invest in a project like that. Its(don't do the project) that will happen in most cases, which harms the economy and people the most.

    Even from a state point of view that would be a horrible decision, to reject a project that will yield you 50-80M in taxes annually for at least 20-25 years because you want them to build a metro station. The remaining necessary infrastructure can be financed in a couple of years with the taxes that will be collected from the stadium revenues.

    But seriously, if the state can't keep up with the necessary infrastructure development with such high taxes, then what good are they?
     
  7. meazza

    meazza Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Welcome to why European states in general (Germany/UK aside) are doing so terribly. It's almost like Europe is being run by UCLA students.
     
  8. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It seems as if the non-locals don't understand that the Metro-Station or the necessary infrastructures are a necessary part of the project , if they let Pallotta do what he wants he's going to speculate like no tomorrow and build 0 infrastructures , you can't just buy some land and build something on top of it guys , don't be ridicoulus.
     
  9. themoose

    themoose New Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Or simply merge it with the Ostiense. Why they have two major 2-way roads right next to each other is beyond me but It's been like that as long as I can remember. On top of that the exits are nothing more than painted stripes on the road which makes it freakin dangerous. They'll also probably just expand the Tor di Valle station and make a pedestrian overpass over both roads much like there is already at Ostia Antica.
     
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  10. Sal

    Sal Red Card

    Feb 9, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    hello moose, glad to see you posting on here:D!
     
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  11. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    A lot of work needs to be done , or the whole project could make an already very traffic-intense road even worse , that's all i'm saying.
     
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  12. themoose

    themoose New Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Cheers Sal! just got back from Rome a couple of days ago. Was in the area almost daily so felt like contributing.

    @Khaos: Indeed! could even block up the Torrino neighbourhood with people not wanting to pay parking fees.
     
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  13. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Oh god , i didn't even think about Torrino-Mezzocammino , that would be so bad for the residents.
     
  14. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    If i'm not mistaken Totti's new house is in the Torrino-Mezzocammino neighbourhood , think about Francesco coming back from the match and going "WHAT THE ******** GUYS"
     
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  15. bigtimebuck4

    bigtimebuck4 Member

    Oct 10, 2004
    In the US cities often build stadiums for teams, and it works out because of all the taxes they collect off the revenue created by the stadium and surround development plus the jobs created. I recognize this is not how it is done in Italy but maybe they could learn a thing or two about how to grow an economy from the US.
     
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  16. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    In the US , teams migrate from city to city , which is mindblowing.
     
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  17. Sal

    Sal Red Card

    Feb 9, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Very few, its not like the entire league is changing Cities each year.
     
  18. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I'm just saying but i wouldn't even remotely think about not supporting my team , even if the management sucks.
    The teams , as far as i've read , move because they start sucking , the management fails to keep them competitive and they start losing supporters, which is out of the world to me.
     
  19. Sal

    Sal Red Card

    Feb 9, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    As far as I know that's not entirely true but I'll defer to someone who knows more about this than I do... @SoCalYid @Wolfbeatseagle @AnyoneElse
     
  20. NickyViola

    NickyViola Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Boston
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Almost the entire NBA except for some really new teams and like Boston, Suns (though they're sorta new) and Knicks has moved.

    Lakers and Warriors are from Minnesota and Philly. When I was a kid the Clippers and Kings were in San Diego and Kansas City. And that's just the California teams.
     
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  21. Khaos

    Khaos Member+

    Apr 8, 2014
    Roma, Italy.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Well , i'm not very informed but that's what i've read
    And i've seen that some teams have moved cities 3-4 times , maybe it's a different culture but still , weird to me.
     
  22. Sal

    Sal Red Card

    Feb 9, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Yeah maybe very few was the wrong word choice:confused:. But recently there haven't been that many teams moving. OKC from Seattle is the only one that rings a bell atm.
     
  23. Sal

    Sal Red Card

    Feb 9, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Me neither, but probably the teams sucking has a part in the move. But not the sole reason imo.
     
  24. NickyViola

    NickyViola Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Boston
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Who are the Vancouver Grizzlies now? They've moved at least twice in the last 15-20 years. Nets moved one or two years ago. Kings are going to move soon, I think.
     
  25. NickyViola

    NickyViola Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Boston
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    It's why I prefer promotion/relegation. Maybe the Rams would have stayed and I'd still watch the NFL.
     

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