Argentina vs Germany: Final Match Game Day Discussion Thread

I'm not afraid of eleven Thiago Mottas

 

Ha! Excellent. No one is afraid of eleven Tiago Mottas.

 

Yes, it is very easy. Wait for Merkel to invade Europe, and then, when we lose, you can put military bases all over Europe. Our women are attracted to latino-men in uniform and will have your babies and ta-ta!!! 10 years later, you will be on your way to having a kick-ass youth program.

 

Please come South as well. Thank you.

 

I know our German neighbors like the area of Lago Di Garda. Please bring Mueller and the one you call "Piggy."

 

you take C. Ronaldo out of the equation and Portugal is not that great of a team though, probably wouldn't have made it into the world cup, how is that a team that's being tactically superior when you take out 1 player and the team melts?

 

Not top, but you still had Coentrão, Pepe, and Moutinho who play for great teams. Not far off from Uruguay without Suarez for instance. But I was talking about Portugal from the last 5 tournaments, about which you clearly know nothing about. Portugal was strong in Euros 2004, 2008, and 2012, and in WC 2006 and 2010 due to its strong defensive performances. In 2012, Portugal played in a similar fashion to Argentina in this WC.

The problems of Portugal in this WC were far greater than just Ronaldo being out of shape. But the talk of lazy journalists was always about the one-man team. A typical stereotype, just like the ones relative to South America you are accusing Europeans of using in this thread. Sorry, but by using it yourself you are being a hypocrite.

The truth is that stereotypes of this nature are perfectly natural. They have nothing to do with racism, but more with lack of complete knowledge about the teams. Racism is establishing a correlation between race and some trait, positive or negative. Stereotypes refer to cultures and very often are true. It's not correct to judge an individual basing on the culture he comes from, but it's acceptable to judge a culture basing on its stereotypes if these are truthful. For instance, I have no problem admitting that the German culture is superior to the Portuguese one, because it's true. And stereotypes like Southern Europeans being less productive are also true. Nothing offensive about it, except when you judge individuals basing on them.

 

By the way, I actually think that Bosnia was quite good tactically against Argentina. I haven't watched their other games, though.

 

Look defensive performances even Iran or Algeria showed they can do. I also agree without Suarez that Uruguay team is not WC quality.

So do you believe this team makes it to the World Cup without C. Ronaldo? Because Brazil would make it to the World Cup without Neymar, although Felipao tactics were very dependent on him and Hulk.

Europeans - Tactically smarter

I understand the stereotyping of a culture... you know.. blacks are lazy and eat watermelons... Muslims are fanatical terrorists..

That sir is stereotyping... yet... not sure if those groups would take them as something non offensive... Like I said before in 1988, 26 years ago, CBS took the lead and fired their main sportscaster for saying Blacks were better athletes and faster.

I would like to see the reaction you would get going into public television and trying to explain why it's ok to sterotype a group as being tactically smarter than the other.

 

You do understand we're not talking about youth teams right? We're talking about players playing for professional clubs and being tactically disciplined and useful there...

So they put on the yellow and all of that professional tactics go away?

Brazil is not Germany our NT is not tied to the development of youth talent, actually Germany is the only country which has a tie between NT and youth development...

 

From what I've seen here, there's no universally liked team. And those that are liked are liked because they aren't a threat to win the WC. Germany won, and so there's less opportunities for schadenfreude (credit to Germany for that excellent word) and attacks on Germany. If anyone doubts Germany, there must be some nationalistic reason to do so since there aren't many football reasons to doubt their ability. They're an excellent team.

Being on the outside supporting a country that will never qualify for the WC, it's always strange to see nationalistic and ambiguous (missed penalties, ref) arguments to verify football opinions. I would pay no mind to them.

 

LOL, then where do all those youth NT come from that compete for the U21, U19, U18, etc. tournaments?

 

Obviously you don't.

You see, it all comes down to your REASONS. I know, reasoning is a foreign concept to you, but stick with it for a second, will ya?

For instance: When you say that white Europeans by their very nature are better football players because they can do tactical play better than anyone, you are being racist, because you pretend as if the group someone was born into is somehow more/less valuable.

On the other hand, if you say that kids that are properly trained in tactical play are afterwards better at tactical play, that is NOT racist, because your culture, your skin-color, your parents, etc. play no role in the reasoning.

Whereas in the first statement, blacks are automatically excluded, the second statement is in principle 100% inclusive. To scream "RACISM" at something like the latter statement only shows how much you want to feel like a victim. If someone says that education is at the root of your footballing problems you could have a proper argument and provided he's correct, it would be up to you to improve that situation.
But once you scream "RACISM" you can feel like the innocent victim of abuse, you can lean back and avoid any kind of productive discussion and you don't need to do anything because obviously you are being victimized.

You see the problem there old sport?

 

It'll be better when Scotland's outstanding football is part of it

 

Same with Hummels and Neuer for Germany, Hummels very early in the match which would have made things almost impossible for Germany.

 

Brazil 32 fouls, Colombia 22 fouls

 

Rumor has it Philipp Lahm has retired from the national team.

 

It's more than a rumor unfortunately. It has been confirmed by his agent.

 

Well the fact of the matter is in 2018 we will have another champion. Italy again maybe or France or Holland....
Like Spain Germany will fall brutally. I'm even guessing 2016 is the year of France!

Lahm the son of a bitch. He has won everything with Bayern. He hasnt won the EURO yet though. What an asshole. Retire for good or dont. Not just from the national shit!

 

Well Germany isn't exactly stacked with talent on the right back position. Would have thought Lahm will at least play the Euro 2016. Don't know, why he wouldn't. Has a contract with Bayern till 2018 expect him to play on a high level till then.

 

He is an asshole. Retiring for good, ok. But why play for Bayern? Asshole.

Doesnt matter. We wont win shit in the next 10 years anyway. We will slowly fall apart now like Spain.