Argentina vs Germany: Final Match Game Day Discussion Thread

Please stop. What Germany does versus Italy does not really matter when Italy could not get out of the first group, does it? Italy did not give them the opportunity to play against each other because we failed. You are embarassing Italians with this nonsense. Germany deserve to win the World Cup and are champions. You should respect that.

 

The thing is, that you bring up Ghana vs Germany all the time because you somehow think it proves, that Ghana is somehow better than their performance at this world cup suggests. They played a good game vs Germany, it's true. But it's just a single game in a world cup they didn't do shit in. They lost to the US and when they needed to win against Portugal to advance out of their group, they lost as well. 1 good game doesn't change that they had a really bad world cup.

 

Say whatever you want ^^. They have skills more than the other african teams but they were the first team before Algeria that attacked soon and hard. Thats the key against tactical teams to attack early and without mercy. And when the referee helps you out you never even get a yellow even with blood flowing ^^. Not saying there was blood in that game dont know

In my opinion the teams that were as good as Germany were France, Argentina, Holland and maybe Belgium. The others were average some better than others but those were/wouldve been the real enemies. Maybe 1 or 2 other teams. I personally dont like brute force fighter teams.

 

Sorry, I refuse to respect that, and there is nothing you can do about it. I have my views, just like you have yours. And you are in no possition to dictate me what I should repsect or not.

 

Thankfully there is an IGNORE button in here.
Tukafo, I have report your post to the moderator, that you use personal attack on Chinese people who speaking poor English, instead of stay on topic about fotball. But doesn't matter eh, the Ignore button should solve it.

 

Ahh, you joined yesterday.
Well yeah, the ignore button works, no doubt.

In this thread, and as far as I can see any other threads as well, you behave like a
showcase of a Chinese troll which hates Germany.

There is no room for nuances or shades in your posts, luckily I have room on my ignore list.

 

it's quite simple, defenders are also field players and when you possess quality defenders...you will limit quality chances. the italians used to just 're-load' defensive talent after a few tournies...they have been scrambling recently.

after the group stage - otto used 3 CBs when going up against 2 CFs (france; henry & trezeguet/czech; kollar & barros) and 2 CBs when going up against 1 CF (portugal; pauleta).

it appears the hot scheme at this WC was 3 CBs, though the 2 finalists had only 2. with most attacking schemes these days consisting of only 1 CF or none with the 'false 9 ' nonsense, i do believe 3 CBs to be overkill. this WC, greece played 2 CBs and made a R16.

 

'Really bad' is an overstatement given it was the group of death. Maybe 'really bad' by previous Ghana standards. But yes - they had a bad cup. But their performances - despite the losses - were good. Just not good enough, especially in defence.
And none of that changes the fact they gave Germany the toughest game at this tournament.

 

As we all suspected...

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/201...er-cant-remember-world-cup-final?xid=aol_home

 

Germany deserved to win this match. It was not a foul by Neuer and the play resulting in the German goal was eerily reminiscent of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th German goals in the 2010 quarterfinals - they initiated on Germany's left flank, and like in 2010, Romero was the goalkeeper.

Argentina's defense, before the World Cup seen as a reason for worry, held up until the end.

Congratulations Deutschland; you demonstrated finesse in passing the football not unlike Spain in its more recent heyday, you were overwhelmingly gracious and courteous both to the common Brazilians you interacted with, to the Brazilian opponents you defeated, and to the people of Brazil whom you treated so honorably, with tweets in Portuguese, to demonstrate your gratitude and appreciation of our country and people. Through on-pitch victory and off-pitch behavior, you have set a golden standard that other footballing nations would be wise to follow.

 

They played over their heads, the game of their lives full of pride. I respect that, a loss they were finished. Germany IMO underestimated their will power and it almost cost them. But looking at how Ghana played following that is telling, they were emotionally, and physically drained from the moral victory they had against Germany. That was the game of their lives and were unable to match that. That's more telling than "we were the toughest opponent for Germany".

You won't hear them back home saying stuff like that with overall performance they put up because it's foolish talk. But again I certainly respect the game they gave us. But coming in here with a big head about is not the right way to present it.

 

^^^^Good grief, Neuer (6'4") looks like a giant compared to Messi (5' 7").

 

Neuer has this aura...I'm 6'4" and I bet he'd look like a giant next to me as well...

 

This idea that teams and players "deserves" to win or lose is odd. What makes any team deserving?

The fact is Germany scored a goal to win the WC where Argentina prior to that had multiple chances and choked. Argentina lost themselves the cup with shocking finishing. Higuain and Palacio especially should hold themselves accountable for costing the other players and nation a WC.

This game was decide on 3 or 4 plays. That is what separated these two teams. Although Germany did not create as many clear chances as Argentina, clear chances don't win matches.

Germany are a top team without a doubt, but their style with a high line was exposed. Specific players on Argentina choked and let Germany off the hook and in the process let their team and nation down.

 

I think Germany was the better team. Obviously they won.

I don't really buy the argument that they were vastly better. Argentina was let down by stupid management decisions and invisible strikers. Amazing they got that far with them playing that way.

 

Why is Ghana brought up? They finished last in the group, they lost to the US, and lost to a horrible Portugal side after multiple players were sent home. To struggle vs them and tie is not impressive, but winning the WC is.

 

Playing like what? They had the best defense in the tournament and proved why against top offenses in Belgium, Netherlands, and Germany. A person may not like their style but to suggest that they were anything but a great finalist is to underscore the importance of solid defensive play. Furthermore winning but not allowing goals has been a winning formula in WCs.

Had Higuain or Palacio scored their 1v1 or Messi scored his from the left of the box, would anyone be able to make the argument that they lost due to stupid management decisions?

They lost because they simply did not convert and Germany did despite creating less clear chances.

 

"Germany had more possession but Argentina had the best chances at 0-0. However, the most shocking statistic is that Argentina failed to manage a shot on target in 120 minutes (see above), despite Higuain’s one-on-one in the first half, Messi’s one-on-one in the second half, and Palacio’s one-on-one in extra-time. Wasteful finishing cost Argentina."

"Naturally, it was Palacio and Gotze, the two attackers with fresh legs, who had the best two chances in extra-time. Ultimately it came down to the quality of their finishes – Palacio chested down but poked the ball wide with Neuer darting out quickly, while Gotze chested down and lashed the ball into the net to win the World Cup."
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/07...et-gotzes-extra-time-goal-wins-the-world-cup/

The moments...
https://vine.co/v/MxDitJvrTLB

https://vine.co/v/MxjMvbFBqrD

Highlights
http://videos.sapo.pt/9ZSfK6FOUvHmolJbcuzY

 

Funny thing is that prior to the tournament everyone was saying that Argentina has by far the most potent strike force in the world

The strike force minus Messi managed 1 goal in 7 matches.

 

No one is downgrading Ghana but you read far too much into that one game. True differences in quality show themselves in consistency and not in one match. We all know that in club leagues we sometimes get results like Osasuna drawing or beating Real Madrid in one game or Stoke City drawing or beating Chelsea. However in the overall league table those teams will always be far behind because they don't have the quality to consistently play like this. Ghana lost their other games while Germany won all six other matches in this tournament. That's where the difference in quality comes through

 

The fact that you would say such a thing says more about you than football. If you know anything about Italian football (and it does not seem so to me) you know that our World Cup victories are often given less credit than those of some others. Ours are older, we played defensively, etc...Real Italians hate this. So why do so to those won by another country, rival or not. Sportsmanship is something that matters to me.