Argentina vs Germany: Final Match Game Day Discussion Thread

So you can't use articles ("the") correctly but you know what a measuring stick is? You got to be kidding me.

 

Actually, a world cup is not about who the best team is, but who about wins the cup. That was obviously Germany. Other teams have lost their games, Germany has not.

But yes, we will get around to Spain and Italy eventually.

Then again, from a purely aesthetic point of view it seems quite obvious that Germany, Argentina, the Netherlands and Colombia were the strongest teams of the tournament. The rest was about winning matches, from 90 to 120 minutes each. Italy and Spain had strong teams in other years, not this time around. So did Brazil. Costa Rica impressed, so did Ghana and the USA. The US will get stronger, mark my words, they have the most active players of all countries right now and are remodelling their youth system. Things will change, as they always did, but this time around, Germany won the Cup, fair and square, with great technical and tactical skill, great confidence and great spirit and fabulous winning goal. Get over it.

 

Some one is here just to troll. Welcome to y ignore list. You offer no good discussion and you offer a very weak argument on Germany.

I suggest the rest of you do the same. It is pointless.

Good night.

 

Ghana actually outplayed Germany, but you claim their toughest challenges were vs France and Argentina... Delusional to say the least And playing the 'weaker Germany' card is as manipulative as it is pointless. Loew played the best team he thought he could play. I could also say: 'But Ghana didn't play with its best squad' or 'Algeria was weakened because of Ramadan'.

No, its obvious Algeria and Ghana were by far Germany's biggest challenges. Ghana came close to actually thrashing Germany and was the only team to take a lead on them. By comparison France looked largely contained and rarely threatened (before or after they went behind).

Algeria threatened way more often on the counter than Argentina, although here at least Argentina can claim to have more perfect scoring opportunities than Algeria.

Germany's toughest matches:
1. Ghana
2. Algeria
3. Argentina
4. France

Claiming differently is just pure fantasy. The only change you could honestly argue is between 2 and 3. I fail to find the logic behind this dishonest alternate reality apart from pure 'big team fanboyism'.

 

The reason I ask is because I personally hate the fact that the Copa America is not a bigger, more popular event. When I look at past champions and come across a year in which someone other than Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay won it, I always think to myself "something weird must have happened." Usually it's right. Either the NT's only sent players from the domestic leagues, or they're trying to prepare the Olympic Team, or some other explanation that proves that South American powerhouses no longer care. I don't see this happening in the Euros, but in my opinion for Greece to win it all, it would be equivalent to Venezuela winning it all in the Copa America.

 

Stopped reading after this...good night.

 

Jordan Ayew passes the ball -> Ghana vs Germany 3:1 and game over
Ok. Thrashing is an overstatement, but 'decisively beating' would be adequate.

 

zahzah, I agree with you.
Is fine, let them brag for the next 4 years since they just won the WC.
And we see if they still brag like this when Euro Cup 2016 starts.
As always, Italy are the German's kryptonite, and now seem like the African teams are also their kryptonite.
Seem like Europeans teams always have trouble when facing African teams. Weird, maybe the different cultures or something, but Germans seem to get shaky when it come to team that have patient, good defend and keep the ball well with fast attack.

Put politics aside, it funny to see how Germans still can't find the key to unlock Italy. Germans are know to be strong, logic people. Italians, nowadays who seem to be weak and emotional people, nothing like their Rome ancestor.

 

And yet Brazils total fouls committed (123 by Fifa count) is only rivaled by the Dutch (126) and they played two 120 minutes matches. You claim Brazil only retaliated throughout the tournament other people see it differently. The total tally at the end doesn't show a clean playing style though.
I agree that playing Chile and Colombia didn't help, they come in next with 94 and 91 fouls in only 5 games played so they are probably equally dirty. Why they gave the fair play award to Colombia is baffling to me. Surely they should have given it to France who also played 5 matches but only have 62 fouls committed nearly 30% less than Colombia. That's less or on par with 5 teams who only played 4 matches. I thought that would be a shoe in for the fair play award.

 

The national football teams of Germany and Italy, two of the most successful football nations in Europe and in the world, are long-time rivals. On the overall, the two teams have achieved eight World Cup victories and a total of fourteen appearances in the final of the tournament – more than all the other European nations combined. They have played against each other five times in the World Cup, and most of these matches have been notable in the history of the tournament. The Partita del secolo / Jahrhundertspiel, or "Game of the Century", a 1970 semi-final between the two countries that Italy won 4-3, was so dramatic that it is commemorated by a plaque at the entrance of the Estadio Azteca in Mexico.

As of July 2014, Italy is largely dominant in the head-to-head international matchup, having beaten Germany 15 times in 32 games (with 10 draws and 7 defeats).[1] Moreover, the German team has never been able to defeat Italy in a competitive game. In fact, all Germany's wins over Italy have been obtained in friendly games. The last victory for Germany was on the 21st of June 1995 in Zurich, with the final result 2-0.

In adiition notable mentions

1982 WC Final Italy 3-1 Germany
2006 WC Semifinal Italy 2-0 Germany
2012 Euro Semifinal Italy 2-1 Germany

Germany will remain 3rd ranked after Brazil and Italy unless they can unlock Italy in a competitive game

 

To ITALIA1982, You might want to read this of how Germany just can't seem to find the key to unlock the omen.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/ed...reak-why-germany-have-never-beaten-italy-in-a
It have a funny picture of Balotelli, which remind me of the 2 goals in the semi-final (Euro 2012) that crush Germany dream as well as their streak, when the whole media were in favor of them wining, but darn it, they just can't beat Italy! Can they?
As Chinese, I don't know much about Italy, but are the Italy their kryptonite or what, Hahaha!
Is Balotelli still playing for the national Italy team? The coach need to work on this boy attitude, even though he is a great fotballer, but I find it hard to love him as a person. And tell the coach to keep De Rossie, he can tackle those Germans, LOL!
Come to Italy thread to post, there the Euro Cup 2016 group draw coming up.

Anyways, WC over, back to work and family. I won't be wasting time posting in this thread, as obviously I am not Germany or Argentina fan, LOL! I will be in the Italy thread to support you guys. God bless you and your country Italy!

 

Ghana match wasnt tough, it was just close, because Germany was saving energy, same with Algeria.
Argentina was a real tough football match.

 

Well, the real cryptonite to Germany was Algeria...
They had a 100% winning streak against Germany until this year.

Italia is clearly better then Germany:

WC Exits: ITA / GER
Title : 4 / 4
Runner up: 2 / 4
Semi: 2 / 5
Quarter: 1 / 4
16er: 2 / 1
1st Round: 7 / 0
n.q 1 / 0


EC Exits ITA / GER
Title 1 / 3
Runner up 2 / 3
Semi 2 / 2
Quarter 1 / 0
1st Round 2 / 3
n.q. 5 / 1


Don´t know how someone can think that Germany has a better all around record. I mean they lose 7 times in the finals of a big tournament..they are bottlers

 

LMFAO! I am an Algeria's fan, but they no where can be compared to Germany, Algeria highest rank was finish in Round 16, LOL!
The Germany is better than Italy in term of balance and stable. Even though they still can't defeat Italy in any major tournaments (EC + WC)

This is why I say many times, the Germans need to work on find the key to unlock the omen to defeat Italy. Then they will be a complete accomplishment team.
I find it to be unfair and so easy for Germany to win this WC 2014 due to the fact that they able to AVOID all Europeans powerhouse teams in this WC (due to the powerhouse teams early exit).

But this won't be the case in Euro Cups, very highly unlikely Germany can avoid Spain, Italy in the upcoming EC 2016. I will be open my eyes wide and see Germany accomplishment in EC'16.

"Germany has 0 wins in the eight official games (World Cup or European Championship), in which they only managed four draws. Is this all? No, not really. The four draws came all in group stage games, while the four wins for the Italians all came in knock-out rounds (the last being in the Euro 2012 semifinal)" ==== work on this Germany. I am actually helping you to see your weakness, so you can become even more powerful, LOL!

 

Zahzah still living in his fantasy world

All hail Switzerland, moral champions of 2010 too! LMAO

 

I like my trolls to be more of the subtle variety.

 

Who's living in a fantasy world?
Ghana: 20 shots on goal, 10 on target
Germany: 11 shots on goal, 6 on target

Germany was marginally outplayed, but they were outplayed.

No one is claiming Ghana were moral champions or whatever.
Ghana gave Germany the toughest match. Nothing less, nothing more.

 

1. Ghana: I guess Loew was claiming they would take the game and show no mercy to Ghana to clinch qualification and then began throwing tantrums on the sidelines like a 5 year old all in a deliberate ploy to distract attention from when they start 'playing seriously'. Noone had Germany on the ropes - I repeat noone - apart from Ghana.
2. Algeria: Oh yes... being a breakaway goal away from elimination is obviously saving energy. The same as playing overtime - a great way to conserve strengths (play an additional 30 minutes). ROTFL.

You guys are hilarious.

 

A draw was adequate for that game. Ghana was the only team that didn't defend against Germany, but went forward in numbers. For a short period Ghana had Germany on the ropes (at 2:1) and had a few superb opportunities to put the game to bed. No other team at this World Cup can claim that. Or claim to actually be leading Germany. And it wasn't a fluke counterattacking goal, but open attacking football.

You may want to downsize this, but Ghana was your toughest opponent. For whatever reason you just struggle with African teams lately.

And don't give me bull that you didn't want to win the game. Loew's antics on the sidelines pretty much proved how much he wanted to win.

 

Yeah Ghana gave us a good fight. Still finished last of the group with 1 point.

 

It is 100% true that France and Argentina were the toughest enemies also because Germany played well against them and still had problems. Tight and good matches.

Ghana and Algeria have the brutal style. They take out whoever they want and that works against teams like Germany. But only fighting is still not enough THANKFULLY!

4-2-3-1 might've had helped against these teams but whatever

 

Ghana's brutal style. ROTFL. Going crazy I see.
What has it come to when you mistake finesse for brutality.

I'll clue you in: Ghana is faster, have just as much skill on the ball and have several excellent players that could easily make the German squad. Unlike Portugal or Argentina their threat isn't limited to 1-2 players that can be cut out of supply. Add to that Germany's style suits Ghana's fast breakaway football.

Germany struggled with Ghana in 2010. And they struggled even more in 2014.

 

And whatta team Ghana was. dead last in a group with the US advancing as 2nd. well done.

 

What exactly are you expecting to achieve by the above post? Downgrade Ghana and in doing so prove that Germany isn't all its cracked up to be, because they struggled to not only beat, but to draw, this subpar team? You are aware that you are actually attacking Germany with that kind of argumentation?

Look: Ghana played one great game. Nothing more, nothing less. How they performed against other teams is irrelevant when talking about Ghana vs Germany.

Your guys logic is impeccably nonsensical. And it pretty hilarious that you just can't give Ghana their due for that one game.