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Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Occasional friendlies and exhibitions aren't really demonstrative of your point.
    The question boils down to when league seasons occur. You can use other countries in the region, but my guess is that this is offseason for most leagues.
    FWIW, JLeague does happen through the Summer because of an opposite situation (Winter can be rather prohibitive in some parts). It's been a non-issue since I can remember for JLeague to put a temporary pause to their top flight during the World Cup. League schedules have infinitely more to do with weather than considerations for FIFA competitions.
     
  2. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I still think Australia would be good too.
    As far as transport, a number of the US cities he listed are fairly good. Transport links on East Coast are pretty good (sorry "East Coast" bias) and West Coast isn't bad as well (within cities, but city-to-city is rather dodgy -- only real option is flying. Greyhound is terrible. Amtrak is enough to make you kill yourself... especially if your normal experience comes from the excellent train systems in Asia and Europe)
    Even places like Denver and Chicago have done a lot with public transport in the last 5 years, and doing more. Columbus however... I'd die to watch a WC game in the 'shoe, but realistically... horrible transport links in every way imaginable. The advent of possibly using NCAA stadia is very interesting though... only worry is that nobody would show up, and a lot of the great ones are in the South with... again... terrible transport links.
     
  3. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    They aren't occasional friendlies and exhibitions though are they. They are cup competitions...even FIFA World Cup qualifiers are played in June. Remind me next time you talk about J League Cup for me to call it a exhibition match or when your youth side play AFC Olympic qualifiers, i'll call that a friendly shall I?
     
  4. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Youth competitions are just that. FIFA qualifier schedules are fairly static since they happen on set dates.
    You never mentioned a domestic cup, but even if you had ... nabisco cup is the least important competition that japanes clubs have.
    Throw a temper tantrum all you want, i take it you couldnt find a single top flight in the region thats active.
     
  5. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    I did mention a domestic cup so go read again. Go figure it out and then come back.

    So you want me to find one in the region now? Go to Syria, Jordan. Go to Yemen. Top flight league and cup competitions that have been played during the world cup...I didn't give these examples before as I wasn't ASKED.

    If you want leagues in Asia that are still active then just ask.
     
  6. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    You were asked for fixtures, actually. And we're still waiting for those rather than your passive agressive responses.
     
  7. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Look at all the links I provided. They have fixtures and results played in the months requested.

    If for some reason you cant read them then let me know.

    Would you like to discuss anything I posted earlier today or will you admit that your wrong?
     
  8. thewitness

    thewitness Member

    Melbourne Victory, Derby County
    Australia
    Jul 10, 2013
    Club:
    Derby County FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Interesting to see this editorial by Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa bin Ahmed Al Thani, president of the Qatar Football Association turn up in one of Australia's leading newspapers (The Australian) yesterday. I wonder if the same thing will turn up in the USA, Korea and Japan.
    I don't want to infringe on the paper's copyright, but the article is also posted on the Qatari FA Website so I will link to and quote it from there. http://www.qfa.com.qa/qfa-chief-qatar-won-world-cup-bid-playing-fair/. If he is trying to win over the Australian Public with this I don't like his chances.
     
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  9. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Again, links you posted weren't to league matches.
    As already stated, occasional exhibitions and friendlies aren't really making your point.
    Qatar themselves have already made the point themselves when they requested to make it a Winter event.
    Why we're even arguing it at all is absurd.
     
  10. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    No, this is where you've bumped into the discussion and got the wrong end of the stick.

    I was asked to provide links to fixtures played in Qatar in June/July... and I did. And these show cup competitions, not glorified exhibition matches that you might find in the US.

    What it shows is that football is played in Qatar in June/July when everyone appears to think it's impossible....well, people are playing!!

    Qatar haven't requested to make it a Winter event by the way.
     
  11. themightymagyar

    Aug 25, 2009
    Indianapolis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd be interested in that information. Though not necessarily for the purposes of this thread. There are a lot of people here in the US that like to use the phrase "same schedule as the rest of the World" in order to denigrate MLS.
     
  12. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    1. You were asked for matches being played in Summer, you provided some links
    2. I pointed out links to occasional friendlies and exhibitions doesn't demonstrate anything

    .... that is where we're still at.

    Finally, "impossible" is a gross exaggeration. It's a very large obstacle, a big enough one that Qatar themselves propose moving it to the Winter. Not even the Hosts who won the bid agree with you; yet here you are stubbornly fighting a lost argument.
     
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  13. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  14. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    I gave you fixtures to cup competitions...if you want to call these friendlies then that's fine and shows you obviously don't get the point.
     
  15. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Thailand
    Singapore
    Malaysia
    Yemen
    Jordan (would have been interesting if they had qualified)
    Bangladesh
    Syria

    That's off the top of my head. These leagues would argue that it's fine to run alongside the WC as they suddenly get more fan support as people suddenly take an interest...some would argue the fans don't bother watching during the WC.
     
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  16. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    The cup you linked is a preseason event as per Qatar Football Association's own website. There are 3 other domestic cups.
    The Emir Cup is the most important, again as per QFA's own website, and played during the season.
    The QNB Cup is essentially the standard league cup.
    The Qatar Cup is an extension of the regular season as a Playoff.

    Exhibition games billed as "cups" like this are quite common. Many teams play in so-called "cups" or "tournaments" as part of their preseason tours.
    So yes, I will stick by my statement referring to the fixtures you've linked thus far as exhibitions and occasional friendlies.
     
  17. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Yes pre-season as it's played before the league campaign begins and is actually quite prestigious in Qatar.

    Other competitions, Olympic Qualifiers.... Arab Youth Championship.... you think these are friendlies? Of course the league season wont be played because there is so much other competitive football going on.

    You need to open your eyes to see this really.

    To say the Sheikh Jassim cup is a friendly competition just shows your lack of respect. Do you say the English League cup is a friendly competition because that is what your saying really, US Open cup is nothing, that's what your saying.
     
  18. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    More passive agressive rrsponses when the facts dont fit your agenda.
    FA Cup and US Open Cup would be equivalent to the Qatar Cup.

    The one you linked is a pre season affair and even QFA website downplays its importance.

    Your belief that you can make it up as you go and dictate regardless of the facts is the only disrespectful thing in this thread.
     
  19. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    It's not aggressive at all.

    I was asked if football games were played in Qatar in June/July and I gave numerous examples of competitions that are, unfortunately you want to down play them, but you can if you wish, but don't see I make it up as I go along because these are facts.

    For you to basically deny that football is played in Qatar in June/July is your own personal agenda.
     
  20. whitecloud

    whitecloud Member+

    Jan 25, 2009
    Gulf Shores, AL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. Franklin Rizzo

    Jun 4, 2014
    Miami-NYC
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leave it to them.....what kind of cavemen mentality do they have my gosh.
     
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  22. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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  23. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hee hee.. welcome to Middle Eastern politics....
     
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  24. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. Wolfie65

    Wolfie65 Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Albuquerque, NM
    Security is likely to be a nightmare, especially for the fans, who won't have their very own protection like the athletes, and they better hope Israel don't qualify, or there could be really big trouble.
    I'm sure they have plenty of money to build whatever stadia they need, but there are only 2 or 3 cities, where are they going to put them all?
    It's like having the World Cup in Rhode Island or Luxemburg.
     

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