2014 FIFA World Cup™ Semi-Finals: Netherlands vs Argentina| Wednesday, Jul 9, 4:00 PMET

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014 - Knockout Rounds' started by argentine soccer fan, Jul 6, 2014.

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Who advances to the final?

Poll closed Jul 9, 2014.
  1. Netherlands

    46 vote(s)
    50.5%
  2. Argentina

    45 vote(s)
    49.5%
  1. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Accept it: Pundits, commentators and fans alike are absolutely singleminded on this issue - this was a boring game.

    The only odd men out are Argentina fans.
     
  2. BlueDamian

    BlueDamian Member+

    Jun 7, 2005
    In the shade
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I appreciated the good defensive work well enough. I very much liked Mascherano's roll in that match, one of the few highlights of that match.. What I don't appreciate is condescending posters like that other guy and you telling the rest of us who found this match boring that we don't understand it or that we are haters, or that would should watch basketball instead.
     
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  3. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That would mean one of the two teams was better tactically than the other. It´s not what´s being said here.
     
  4. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Both teams were scared to lose. They never committed the numbers forward to make the difference, and make defences struggle. Netherlands were happy to control possession in their own half for large spells, and often just tried pinging ball up to the front 2 (who were against a packed defence). When Argentina were in possession they hoped for their few forwards to make a difference, without truly committing and pulling defensive players out of position. Masterclass...pffftt. They both crapped themselves.
     
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  5. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The match wasn't a thriller; that much is for sure. Whether it was outright boring, however, depends on your perspective. I wasn't quite bored, since I felt it was possible for either side to score even if real chances were few and far in between. However, since much of the game featured two sides who were obviously reluctant to be find themselves exposed in the back, and who played cautiously with Holland in particular constantly aiming to draw Argentina's players towards them in order to find space to exploit on the counter, there was an element of tactical chess that was at play as well.

    Incidentally, whether the game was boring or not, it was by and large well played, except for Holland really doing poorly with their set pieces. Otherwise, these were two roughly comparable teams, each having players who could turn things around if given the chance, playing a tactically articulate game whose overriding purpose was to see their team advance to the final regardless of whether that mission would be accomplished in an aesthetically pleasing manner.
     
  6. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    The reason I don't feel it was really a tactical masterclass was because the teams didn't nullify themselves in midfield. Both teams basically bunkered and committed very few players forward.
     
  7. Incidental Lurker

    Incidental Lurker New Member

    Jul 3, 2014
    @argentine soccer fan;
    about Robbens comment.
    GERMAN press!

    @Karloski & others;
    You did not notice that at some point both teams had three strikers in the field?
     
  8. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Since Robben plays in Germany and is fluent in the black tongue of Mordor I doubt he was misquoted or that this is a translation issue.
     
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  9. Incidental Lurker

    Incidental Lurker New Member

    Jul 3, 2014
    You could be right with that, but it is not what i meant.
    You probably gave the answer yourself: he plays in Germany.
     
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  10. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Okay, someone had suggested earlier that something might have been lost in translation, much like Van Gaal's joke about teaching Romero how to block PKs.
     
  11. Incidental Lurker

    Incidental Lurker New Member

    Jul 3, 2014
    It was my first asumption after the "accidental" misinterpretation of Robben confessing to a dive, among other things.
    You have the poster right.:thumbsup:
     
  12. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Got it.

    To be honest the "controversy" seems kind of silly, as the rest of Robben's comments were the obligatory complementary clichés and the video of him trying to console his young son was touching and shows he is not a heartless monster.
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, maybe he was trying to be polite to them since it was a German magazine and he plays in Germany, and he has teammates who play for Germany. But the way he said it, it did come across as a bit bitter on his part. I don't have a problem, though, I care more about what players do on the field, not what they say, and at any rate it's easier for players to be gracious when the team advances than when it doesn't.
     
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  14. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, Van Gaal did coach him, and Romero gave him credit, so I think as much as Van Gaal must have hated being eliminated that way, he had to be proud of Romero in a way.
     
  15. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    He said as much. To paraphrase, Van Gaal said he was proud that he/AZ saw the talent in Romero and were responsible for bringing him to Europe and that it takes a special talent to do what he did (block 2 of 4 in the PK shootout).
     
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  16. Wolfie65

    Wolfie65 Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Albuquerque, NM
    Do we know why they didn't use their penalty specialist goalie?
    Were they saving him for....later.....??
     
  17. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    They had no subs left.
     
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  18. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Right. But the question might have been, why didnt LVG save a sub for him? And I think RVP couldn´t stay any longer.
     
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  19. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've got no horse in this race, but I too was a defender and appreciated the calmness and assuredness of the defenders, particularly when dealing with Robben. I was not a pulsating match, but it was certainly not boring.
     
  20. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    RVP was knackered and could barely stand. I think it is safe to say LVG would have left him on the pitch if only for the PK shootout itself, but asking him to go for another 25 minutes after battling a stomach bug just the day before was bridge too far. He probably should have started Huntelaar and saved van Persie for extra time. That way he'd have both available for the shootout, but what do I know?
     
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  21. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I laughed harder than I care to admit. :laugh:
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Because of Messi.
     
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  23. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    I doubt either manager thought it was going 120 minutes. I am sure LVG would have played his cards differently had he known. I know I would have (see comments two posts above).
     
  24. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think an ambitious manager goes into a match expecting ET. If he does, then he shows his lack of confidence in his team and himself, and both are against how LVG has behaved all tournament. I would argue that he is the most ambitious manager at the World Cup.
     
  25. Changocardenas

    Jul 4, 2014
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    A GK born in Racing
     
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