2014 FIFA World Cup™ Semi-Finals: Germany vs Brazil| Tuesday, Jul 8, 3:00 PM

So the whole 3 dives from lord knows how many years ago makes Messi a diver?


Lol trolololol stfu gtfo

 

So, that was like 3 dives in a 3 minute video reviewing a 10 year career. Great find!!!

 

Every hero needs a nemesis. Even at the expense of inventing one

 

Nah, i just think that particular poster does not like argentina cause he is chilean. Southamerican ways of interacting you maybe wont get

And i hope the match tomorrow is much better than the one we saw today

 

Haha it turned out it was fifa thread...

How the ******** did I get here!!??

 

We have been hearing this "US will be a powerhouse" for 15 years.

 

You can find a video of Fred scoring amazing goals , but will that make him a great striker ever ??

 

damn! you beat me!

 

Now someone calling Messi a "diver"

I thought ive seen it all after the germany 7-brasil 1 crazyness, apparently not

 

And many Americans are pricks... not that I'm point fingers.

 

I actually feel bad for brasil, even if they are gonna be in the matchs cheering against us again.

Hope they dont, though

 

Ill repeat what I said before. You must have nothing to bring to the conversation if you try to make this a me hating argentina because im chilean. Like I said, my mistake on saying Messi dives, he doesnt and recognize it. However, you are very very wrong to assume im jealous because I believe and want Holland to win. Its not a southamerican way of interacting, most chileans dont hate argentina and ive been to Argentina, know its the same way over there

 

Well nice to meet you. You seem like a charming chap.

 

I love Chile in futbol, im a fan, i ve been cheering for them for years.

Oh well, too bad you dont appreciate this team, it used to be really fun to watch before all teams bunkered against us in this WC

 

I’m sure some kind of pain will hit later. Right now the shock of the spanking is still numbing it.

Actually, in some ways, I’m glad that we lost by such a goleada if we were going to lose. And not to the Argies.

In response to my post above congratulating Germany, @canis said:

“I think this was as much a technical / tactical win by germany as a psychologycal loss by la canarinha. They started the match the same way as they did against colombia. But with no Neymar and Thiago, instead of scoring early they got it in their own. And then it was over. There´s not much to analyze here. This one is going straight to the history books.”​

As comforting as this would be, I disagree, in part. Sure, everything worked perfectly for Germany. Certainly, the Germans had better tactics. Clearly, we did suffer a psychological implosion. And yes, we didn’t have two key players.

But there IS something deeper to be analyzed and learned here.

Yesterday, in response to a comment by @soccernutter that Chile “hit the crossbar despite Brasil's tactics,” I said:

"And you say this [being helped by the crossbar] like it's somehow a badge of dishonor, rather than a sign of good favor from the Football Gods. The goalpost is the boundary of greatness. And only the great are allowed to enter. 62-game home unbeaten streaks are built from an accumulation of the Gods' favors and interventions. Chile trembled and failed. Germany may or may not. It depends on whether we do enough to continue to earn our good favor tomorrow."​

We did nothing to earn the Football Gods' favor today. Germany did.

Losing in a goleada was vital because it forces a re-examination of the direction in which Brasilian football been headed, and shatters any attempt to fall back on excuses. As Lance!, Brasil’s main sport daily just said:

“Não há razões possíveis para explicar tamanho resultado. As ausências de Thiago Silva e Neymar, que seriam motivos razoáveis para justificar uma derrota, não cabem para explicar o que se viu. A pior derrota dos pentacampeões em toda sua gloriosa história!”​

Translated (with some liberty on my part): “There are no plausible excuses to explain the magnitude of this result. The absence of Thiago Silva and Neymar, which might serve as a reasonable explanation for a simple loss, cannot explain what we saw today: the worst defeat of the five-time World Champions in all their glorious history!”​

Brasil has become too dependent on our ability to shut down the other side’s game, and in the process, we've lost the ability to create our own. It’s the same story as with our quarterfinal elimination in 2010. There, the plan worked wonderfully for 45 minutes, only to fall apart in the second half. Because there were reasonable excuses for that loss, unlike today, we fell back on those excuses rather than examining our failure more deeply. We would have continued to do this if we’d gone all the way to claim the title with this team.

Germany prevented that.

While all of Brasil's attention completely focused on this match, they ripped the wound of 2010 back open, laid it bare, and shone an excruciating light on it. Have you ever seen a Seleção so bereft of ideas in the final third as in the first half of this semifinal? In imposing this historic defeat, Germany has put an period on the era that started with our 1986 penalty-shootout elimination by France, and ended today.

Through Germany, the Football Gods have spoken: “No. You learned the wrong lesson from your failure. Try again.”

Something makes me believe we'll get the message this time, because of how painfully it was delivered.

The defeat of the legendary 1982 team taught us that we needed more defensive solidity and physical presence. It took a few cycles to learn this lesson, and we shouldn't forget it. But we also need to learn and internalize another one: Football has evolved. We can’t win a World Cup, even at home, without a creative central midfield. We need to regain the flexibility and improvisation that Dunga, Felipao and Parreira successfully abolished. Today, just like in 2010 against Holland, when Plan A failed, we had no answer to Germany. Brasil needs to cultivate the collective team football that made us great to begin with. Hopefully we’ve realized that relying on just one craque--no matter how brilliant--is not the recipe for success.

The core of this German team has scars. They lost the 2006 semifinal at home to Italy. Then they lost the 2010 semifinal to Spain in 2010. Just like the German teams from 1966 and 1970, they grew from those defeats rather than excusing them. And they decided: Not again. Not this time. They wanted it more. And they seized their opportunity.

Well, Germany has given us a hell of a scar today. Let’s see in four years whether we can follow their example, and in the example of our own Seleções that managed to grow from painful defeats to eventually claim victory.

That road starts on Saturday with the next game.

Pra frente Brasil!

Glückwunsch Deutschland!

 

They were already doing that, why would an embarrassing humiliation change things?

 

I dont appreciate the team, at all, to me Argentina should not be playing the way its playing. Doesnt matter if they win the WC by scoring a goal in the first 20 mins and bunkering down the rest of the game. To me, its not the Argentina I grew up watching. The other teams you could appreciate.

 

That was an impressive post Redshift.
Respect.

 

On to the Third place game and them to the drawing room for the Copa America 2016 - hope we stay long enough to build a new team...

 

Wonderful post . I would like to know one thing though , how much do you think Brasil suffered due to the non inclusion of players like Lucas , Coutinho , Miranda , Felipe Luis ?

 

a tiffosi

 

Americans do have a positive approach to competition, but another american characteristic is doing things "by the book".....playbooks, tactical discipline...
Football (the real one) takes something else: surprise and creativity
They are and will be a respectable rival, but to be at the top they lack the culturally ingrained love for the game
Every children, poor and rich plays football in the streets and empty lots since birth in the Countries with football tradition
Americans do that with basketball and baseball, and that's why they excel

 

I need to get back to work. I'll comb through the thread and respond later. Enough football for one day.