UEFA in danger of losing World Cup slots?

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014: General' started by zahzah, Jun 22, 2014.

  1. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I've expanded my original post. It's clear that it's not a trend as the allocation hasn't changed over the past three tournaments.
     
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  2. Luckyone

    Luckyone Member

    Nov 29, 2012
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    but the uefa and conmebol have no interest in the money fifa gets, so they would increase thair marketing value even more.Of course conmebol would join the uefa, because everyone in the world knows that fifa is a bunch of corrupt banksters.
    the system of fifa is so dumb:
    why have the 7million members of the dfb (germany) as many votes in the Fifa as the 500(?) members of the fidschi island FA

    It would be very smart to kill the fifa for the sake of football
     
  3. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
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    Real Madrid
    This is the problem. It seems that too many of you don't seem to have an understanding of numbers. You want to compare a country of 10.5 million to a country of 32,000. The big problem I have is not the comparison, but the fact that their are people in this world that believe it makes sense.
     
  4. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Conmebol are Grondona (ARG) + Marin (BRA).
    Just two tidbits concerning these two "celebrities".

    - On February 19, 2013, according to journalist Juka Kfouri, Marin would have stolen electricity from a neighbor that lives at the same building.

    - In 2014 Grondona´s son, Humberto, a FIFA official, admitted illegally selling on tickets for games at the World Cup in Brazil.

    Anything´s possible with such specimens.
     
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  5. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
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    Romania
    Are you saying they can swing for any side just as long as they pony up the cash?
     
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  6. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
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    CA River Plate
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    Argentina
    #1656 canis, Jul 7, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2014
    Well, you said (I think it was you), that population wise, both UEFA and Conmebol were similar. Out of the 400k in SA, 200 are brazilians. I´m not trying to make a point, just showing that no matter which indicator anyone tries to use, it´s flawed. There´s just no way to compare both federations.
     
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  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    It all depends on what you're using the comparison for.

    If you're looking at the top to bottom strength of both confederations then you should be comparing the 10th place CONMEBOL team to the bottom 10% of UEFA teams. This however is pointless as CONMEBOL has no pure minnows (San Marino, Faroes etc).

    If you're comparing the current allocations then you should be comparing CONMEBOL's 5th and 6th teams against 13 and 14 in UEFA.

    If you're comparing based on both confederations having equal representation at a tournament (which I believe was proposed earlier in the thread) then comparing 10th to 10th is valid.
     
  8. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Couldn´t have said it better. They would have a hard time selling their decision to the fan base, but these are great minds we are talking of :rolleyes:
     
  9. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
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    Racing Club de Avellaneda
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    Argentina
    Don't know if that is what he's saying, but yes.
     
  10. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
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    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Right. I guess people would forget the likes of Messi and Neymar exist.
     
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  11. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
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    Olympique de Marseille
    Sweden never failed on group stage when they qualified in the last 20 years.

    Sweden-Paraguay: 1-0 in 2006
    Sweden round 16 Paraguay 3rd of group B

    Sweden bronze medal in 1994 after already 1 final and 2 other semi-finals; 2 quarter-finals, there is absolutely no way Paraguay is better. Not to mention everybody talked about Ibrahimovic missing world cup when there ain't much people missing Paraguay....be honest.
     
  12. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
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    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I´m not convinced regarding the rest but you make a valid claim here. The WC is as much about stars, as it is about countries.
     
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  13. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
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    Yes, I agree fully, no method can work. That is why I think it's wiser to compare countries and not confederations.
    I mean this thread isn't designed that way, and that is why I just wanted to point out some flaws.

    Conmebol is basically Brazil + Argentina, than good teams cycling in power between Chile, Colombia, Uruguay and Paraguay. Uefa is basically Italy + Germany + Spain + Holland + France, than good teams cycling in power between England, Portugal, Croatia, Belgium, Sweden and Czech Republic/Turkey.
     
  14. ChampionLeaguer5000

    May 2, 2014
    Top 32 Teams

    8 - South America
    4 - Africa
    3 - Latin America
    1- Asia/Oceania
    16 - Uefa
     
  15. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    As it's been said several times, let's do 8 intercontinental play-offs.

    9 UEFA squads in world cup.

    8 play-offs teams;
    france, iceland, romania, portugal, greece, ukraine, sweden, croatia

    bring us opponents, we'll see how many squads we'll have in world cup :whistling:

    I reckon we'll have 14-15 and not 13!
     
  16. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
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    France missed 90 and 94 england missed 94 portugal missed 98 holland missed 02 spain, italia, germany both faced play-offs in the 5 last campaigns.

    do you sincerely think FIFA would take the risk nowadays to have world cup without these top european nations?
     
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  17. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
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    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    o_O
     
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  18. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
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    CA River Plate
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    Argentina
    The WC is bigger than any country or confederation. Of course it would suffer. But I don´t see many of those countries missing a qualification at the same time.
     
  19. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
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    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Que seems to be a bit eurocentric :D
     
  20. Guevara

    Guevara Member

    Jul 2, 2014
    Aix-en-provence
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    Olympique de Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Same reaction here.
     
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  21. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
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    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:...it's not about ratio, it's about having the best teams in world cup unless you want a festival and not a competition? there are 13 uefa squads better than the 7th 8th 9th and 10th commebol squads, that's it.

    sweden alone takes both ecuador, paraguay, peru, venezuela and bolivia and it's even not a top 7 UEFA
     
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  22. ChampionLeaguer5000

    May 2, 2014
    Unfortunately World Cup is more "festival" based like the Olympics. Which is why the EURO CUP as a whole is more prestigious.

    There are no free rides in EURO CUP.
     
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  23. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
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    ******** off troll, you're boring and stupid.
     
  24. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    france and england missed world cup at the same time.
    portugal and france have been in play offs at the same time as well and several times!
    there would be 2 teams among them out of world cup on regular basis
     
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  25. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You could add Argentina and make it 3 (we miraculously qualified for 2010 & 94). And I wouldn´t regard England higher than Uruguay, who has missed several in recent history. My point being, you can´t guarantee spots based on history or alleged strenght. But as I said before, I rather have quality over quantity, and would only accept more slots for AFC and CAF if the overall number of participants is raised.
     
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