UEFA in danger of losing World Cup slots?

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014: General' started by zahzah, Jun 22, 2014.

  1. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
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    Greece reached round 16 over Ivory Coast and Japan they got the level of the competition.
     
  2. utinsh

    utinsh New Member

    Mar 31, 2011
    Latvia
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    Southampton FC
    Can't wait too see the day Catalonia becomes independent... :whistling:
     
  3. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
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    Olympique de Marseille
    Sweden is not top 10 in UEFA they'll come back one day anyway But you can see that the biggest world cup nation and player missing this world cup is from UEFA and nowhere else.
     
  4. karpouzeiro

    karpouzeiro Member

    Jun 13, 2014
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    PAOK Saloniki
    almost round 8
     
  5. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
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    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Wait you don't like Greece now? Is it the way they play?
     
  6. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

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    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
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    So why are you so happy? Even ********ing Austria put four goals on us not so long ago! :ROFLMAO:
     
  7. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Of course, they suck.

    I had no doubts Argentina would win, but happy Argentina is in the semis.
     
  8. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

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    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
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    Congratulations for putting 1/4th of the goals against us that footballing power of Austria managed then.
     
  9. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
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    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Thanks for not being a sore loser :thumbsup:
     
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  10. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
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    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
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    LOL

    I'm not a sore loser, I just don't see the great achievement in knocking out a Euro side that had yet to meet a truly decent team at the WC and which had not qualified for anything in a dozen years.
     
  11. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
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    CA River Plate
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    Argentina
    hehe. Belgium reminds me of former Arg teams. Great names and talent, deserved top team on paper, but there´s "something" missing in the team play. Might be experience or temper, don´t know. But I still believe is one of the top 5 teams, name by name.
     
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  12. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
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    You mean congratulations for being in the semifinals? Thanks!!
     
  13. holacomoestasamigo

    Jun 25, 2014
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    --other--

    I think people who participate in this forum are very smart. Having said that, it surprises me the way people compare conmebol and uefa... Sorry, it doesn't make any sense the way some people are comparing the two confederations. And it surprises me that apparently no fellow south americans have pointed that out.

    According to Fifa's rankings Bolivia is the WEAKEST national team in south America
    Ukraine is number 10 in uefa... does that mean that we should compare Bolivia with Ukraine? nop... we should compare Bolivia with the WEAKEST national team from Europe which is San Marino.

    For the sake of this argument, let's suppose that there are 50 nations in europe (i know there are 53 nations in uefa)

    this is how i think we should compare conmebol and uefa

    1st team from conmebol vs 5th team from uefa
    2nd team from conmebol vs 10th team from uefa
    3 team from conmebol vs 15 team from uefa
    4th team from conmebol vs 20th team from uefa
    5th team from conmebol vs 25th team from uefa
    6th team from conmebol vs 30th team from uefa
    7th team from conmebol vs 35th team from uefa
    8th team from conmebol vs 40th team from uefa
    9th team from conmebol vs 45h team from uefa
    10th team from conmebol vs 50th team from uefa


    i really wasn't sure about how to make a logical comparison between conmebol's number 1 team vs its european counterpart... according to my system, we should compare conmebol's number 1 team with uefa's 5th team... however, i realize that such comparison doesn't make sense since we should be comparing conmebol's best team with uefa's best team... just like we should compare conmebol's weakest team with uefa's weakest team.. So i realize that my comparison system isn't perfect, but at least is better than the way some people are comparing conmebol and uefa.

    so this is how our comparisons should look like according to the latest fifa's rankings


    Bolivia vs Liechtenstein
     
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  14. Distorted Humor

    Jun 26, 2014
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    Why would anyone compare the 10th best team in South America with the 50th best team in Europe?
     
  15. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The bottomline is there's no way to compare such different federations. The only valid parameter is accounting for achievements and they are quite even.
     
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  16. holacomoestasamigo

    Jun 25, 2014
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    Because the 10th "best team" from south america is actually conmebol's weakest team .. on the other hand, the 10th best team from UEFA is not the weakest team from such confederation.
     
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  17. holacomoestasamigo

    Jun 25, 2014
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    Canis, i guess you're right... but it really doesn't make sense those who use this parameter:

    1st team from conmebol vs 1st team from uefa
    2nd team from conmebol vs 2nd team from uefa
    3rd team from conmebol vs 3rd team from uefa


    etc
     
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  18. ChampionLeaguer5000

    May 2, 2014
    A) Lets see how Concacaf does in Russia

    B) Africa should have half its slots taken away

    C) When you consider WHO ARE THE BEST UNQUALIFIED TEAMS?
     
  19. ChampionLeaguer5000

    May 2, 2014
    If you took away Federations and had simple qualifications. 20 of the 32 teams would be from UEFA.

    Screwed qualifying? As in how

    UEFA simply has immense depth. Europe is an ever changing continent: Breakup of Yugoslavia, Czech Republic & Soviet Union etc. More changes will occur
     
  20. karpouzeiro

    karpouzeiro Member

    Jun 13, 2014
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    no.Dont forget Europe has a lot of tiny countries of some thousands like Liechtenstein and san marino.Yes they belong to eufa, but you just cant count them
     
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  21. jogger

    jogger Member

    Jun 24, 2010
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    Olympique de Marseille
    I wouldn't say that, on recent history Paraguay has the best WC results of all non qualified nations.
    Since the tournament expanded to 32 teams in 1998 ( allowing CONMEBOL to have more than 3 participants and then, giving a better chance to the "lesser" Sth Am nations to qualify), they advanced beyond group stages, 3 times out of the last 4 World Cups (not including 2014). No team from anywhere (not in Brazil in 2014) has such a record if we consider recent WC.

    Sure Sweden has a better football pedigree than Paraguay, but the fact that they reached the final on home soil in 1958 is irrelevant (or at least less relevant than Paraguay recent results). At this rate, you might well say that Hungary deserve to be there based on their football pedigree...
     
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  22. ChampionLeaguer5000

    May 2, 2014
    More spots for Africa, Asia & Latin America? Why on Earth would anyone do that
     
  23. karpouzeiro

    karpouzeiro Member

    Jun 13, 2014
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    #1598 karpouzeiro, Jul 7, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2014
    about the CONMEBOL and UEFA thing.At least at this world cup CONMEBOL had all their competitive teams.But in UEFA a lot of teams left out like Sweden,Turkey,Denmark,Poland,Ukraine,Serbia,Slovakia,Ireland and yes i will say it .......even Romania

    South americans shouldnt argue with this.
     
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  24. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
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    Real Madrid
    The most logical way to compare teams from any confederation, is to compare countries in which soccer/football is the #1 sport, than you measure them against countries of similar population/registered players. If you want to be more precise you can factor in gdp or investment into the sport. Just keep it simple, country A has 5 million people and 225,000 registered players, country B has 4.7 million people and 205,000 registered players. That is a fair comparison.

    If you do that, you will realize Uefa and Conmebol are easily the dominant forces, which I know most already know.

    Both confederation second tiers also go through cycles. Right now Chile and Colombia are strong, in 10 years maybe not, but than another few years past that they can return. Much like Uefa in regards to Croatia, Portugal, Belgium etc.
     
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  25. holacomoestasamigo

    Jun 25, 2014
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    --other--

    not sure about that! I think Venezuela did pretty well during the last south american qualifying campaign. Paraguay did poorly in south american qualifiers, however, Paraguay did well when played friendlies against teams from other confederations... i remember last year, when Paraguay and Germany played a friendly in Germany.. and the final score was 3-3.
     
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