2014 FIFA World Cup™ Quarter-Finals: Netherlands vs Costa Rica|Sat, Jul 5, 4:00 PMET

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014 - Knockout Rounds' started by JohnnyFutbol, Jul 2, 2014.

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Team to Advance

Poll closed Jul 4, 2014.
  1. Netherlands

    80.0%
  2. Costa Rica

    20.0%
  1. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #626 PuckVanHeel, Jul 6, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2014
    I'm not talking about your support for Argentina smart-ass. I'm talking about your support for Costa Rica throughout the whole match, amongst other things (similar tone with Mexico). I talk about your other loyalties. About your call to withdraw some entry spots from the UEFA zone. You belong at the camp believing that Costa Rica deserved two penalties. You stated, like Grant Wahl dude, Robben was (again) diving and embellishing all game, despite being fouled two times (eight times in total) and his opponent not sent off (which he should have been). That is fine by the way, but let not kid ourselves. Biases are fine, but you bear no neutrality or objectivity (you called others out for biasedness in your previous post above, for that matter). If you call others out for that, I tell you what you are.

    Typical how you immediately fall back to 'personal attack' mode. Good for you. I like to see your reaction when Argentina is forbidden from inspecting/training the stadium while the opponent is... oh wait, that will maybe never happen anyway.

    How often do I need to repeat that I do not hate Argentina, a-hole.

    He did receive a stern talk and did mute his behavior afterwards (the very last PK for example), but never let the facts get in the way of expressing a pre-determined opinion.
    The referee talked to him, and he muted his 'antics'. That is the truth.

    So leaving your line too early isn't unsporting :rolleyes:

    Unlike the other things, leaving your line is clearly spelled out in the laws.
     
  2. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    So walking nearly the entire way to the penalty spot and pointing your finger nearly in someones face is considered Jedi mind tricks? Right way and wrong way to do things but once you move directly towards the player about to take a kick it becomes intimidation. I'm not at all saying he should have been booked but the ref to basically not address it was a fail. Honestly pretty typical of the officiating in this entire tournament.
     
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  3. Transparent_Human

    Oct 15, 2006
    Pale blue dot
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mauritius

    Get


    Over


    Yourself
     
  4. FiveXChampion

    FiveXChampion Member

    Sep 23, 2000
    California
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stop trolling. Are you even German?
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Says someone messing with the facts. The guys who propagate Krul did not receive a stern talk (and changed his procedure) are messing with what happened.

    You, as Costa Rica fan, should get over it!
     
  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    :thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The referee didn't because Krul obeyed his instructions. Re-watch the very last penalty (and the pen before), please. He doesn't even try to approach the penalty taker.
     
  8. FiveXChampion

    FiveXChampion Member

    Sep 23, 2000
    California
    Club:
    Fluminense Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know Germans and Brazilians respect each other a lot and no person from either country would gloat before the game. The people underestimating Brazil and talking garbage here are not even German. They are the same ones saying that Colombia would eat us alive.

    Even without Neymar, this match will be amazing. Germany and Brazil are certainly two of the strongest teams in soccer history and this World Cup is already one of the best ever.
     
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  9. Antario2

    Antario2 Member

    Jan 29, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    That is probably due to Pinto's mindgames backfiring. He called upon the referee pre-game not to reward any diving, although that was clearly intended to make it easier to foul Robben. He should have realized that after such a statement his own side wouldn't get any but the most blatant penalty offences called either.
     
  10. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    I agree, he probably told Krul "don't do that again" after the 1st kick because Krul obviously didn't.
     
  11. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    You guys might not be aware, but unlike Holland v Argentina, there is an actual thread to discuss your semi-final match up. You two might want to take your love fest there.

    Hey ASF, where's our thread?
     
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  12. worldcupruler2014

    worldcupruler2014 New Member

    Jul 6, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Lol, Brazil is nothing without Neymar. This wil be an al Europe Final Netherlands - Germany 3-1
     
  13. Galo Vingador

    Galo Vingador Member

    Jan 4, 2010
    Belo Horizonte
    Club:
    Atletico Belo Horizonte
    The Ticos are gone. Thanks God for that.

    Defensive football is taking stabs over and over again in this WC.
    And I'm loving every single one of them.
     
  14. Galo Vingador

    Galo Vingador Member

    Jan 4, 2010
    Belo Horizonte
    Club:
    Atletico Belo Horizonte
    I hope Scolari learns from this.

    If we bunker against Germany, we're dead meat.
     
  15. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Krul yesterday reminded me of the great Jose Luis Chilavert. He got inside the opponent's head, making it easier for him to fail, something Chila was a master at.

    Were Krul's antics the main reason why most Tico players executed their penalties less effectively than they did against Greece? It's possible. I would say extremely plausible.
     
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  16. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    My support for Costa Rica throughout the whole match? You do realize that prior to this exchange I had at best six posts in this thread. Of those six only one ever mentions or references Costa Rica and that was after they were eliminated. I congratulated them for having made it further than anyone thought they could. They deserved that praise.

    As far as a similar tone to the Mexico match, I didn't even post in that thread, not once so I'm not sure where this "similar tone" comment is coming from. About the only comments I made on the Mexico match were made in World Rivalries and they were directed at Mexico supporters for the choke job. I'd quote verbatim but the language is a bit much for this thread.

    Starting with the first bold, I am actually of the camp that believes entry spots should in part be determined on how confederations performed at the last World Cup. UEFA currently has much more than the next closest federation, why?

    I am not in the camp that believes Costa Rica should have had two penalties though on the Campbell take down it was debatable. It was close enough to accept the refs no-call decision I'll at least say that.

    On the bias part, I freely admit it and my disdain for the Dutch NT and some of their supporters, it's football and it is what it is. I am neutral enough to be able to accept and call out Argentina for several years of truly poor football. I rarely do I blame refs or make up excuses when we stink up the place. The Copa 2007 final is probably the one exception. You, not so much.

    What personal attacks? I mean a personal attack would be more like calling someone an "a-hole" Who would do that? Not me in this or any thread outside of maybe WR.

    As far as my reaction if we were forbidden from inspecting the stadium or training grounds, oh friggin' well, nearly all of our players have experience South American cup football, those silly little games are nothing new to us. Our players coming up aren't really that spoiled. I mean seriously, if being forbidden from inspecting the grounds is that detrimental to your teams performances then I think they may have bigger issues.

    He got whisked away but the point is the ref should have immediately stopped Krul the minute he started moving towards the Costa Rica player. Had the roles been reversed I'd still be of the same opinion. Gamesmanship and taunting are not the same.

    Your posting history in the Beautiful Game suggests otherwise. You've even been called out for certain comments on more than one occasion. A-hole? That right there is more an example of a personal attack than questioning someones bias.

    Never said that and this isn't about Krul leaving his line for the PK but his actions leading up to it. Dick move no matter the keeper. I accept some gamesmanship but when you come within arms length of an opposing player while point towards his face....like I said, dick move.

    Straw man so give it up already.
     
  17. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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  18. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    You're completely right. He was told that after the first penalty. Therefore this is actually a very moot and weak point. Too bad the media picks this up.

    This unlike the continous infractions at other PK shootouts.
     
  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    By Argentina posters, yes. Or fans of Argentina. That is important to note.

    Meanwhile, you now admit your disdain for the Dutch national team. That is fine, but if you call out others here for their bias, this was exactly my point.
     
  20. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
  21. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    He certainly didn't do the antics at the very last penalty
     
  22. pablo85

    pablo85 Member

    Jul 22, 2007
    Biased people always find something to critisize us, even if we win 5-1 against Spain.
    What I've seen this was another tactical game. Costa Rica fought to reach penalties, and they frustrated the Dutch with this. Big respect for them. Now Argentina..
     
  23. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Not now, always. In fact the only thing in football I hate more than riBer plate and the Dutch NT is Juan Sebastian Veron but that is a topic for another time and place.

    The reason I am comfortable with calling out others for their bias is because I am able to acknowledge my own. I know you are Dutch and I know you are huge knowledgeable fan of theirs and you should hold a bias. Your problem is your refusal to acknowledge one or much of one when in reality your posting history greatly suggests otherwise.
     
  24. Incidental Lurker

    Incidental Lurker New Member

    Jul 3, 2014
    I am still at a loss why waving a finger and threatening posturing would be good for a red card?
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This is not true. In the many discussions we had you never said so. Period. For sure. Meanwhile, I was continously accused of hating Argentina. I'm happy to admit I dislike Spain and Germany but not necessarily Argentina. You are also a master of attacking the person whenever you feel there is 'hate' against Argentina. Never it was said or admitted you dislike the Netherlands. If you did, it had solved and prevented many 'problems' and made discussions easier.

    This can be put in the garbage bin now. Accept it. Others calling out for biased perspective, and discrediting their opinion, is not strong when you yourself wield them. A self-admitted dislike only surpassed by two other subjects. In particular when facts are made up or invented (for example that the ref had no stern talk --> quite clearly not true).

    And like others said, the antics of goalkeeper Navas were more elaborate and far-reaching.

    That is where it stops. In fact, all this that is made up doesn't deserve so much attention, if you weren't a moderator.
     

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