FIFA 2014 WORLD CUP FIXTURE: QUARTER-FINALS COLOMBIA VS BRAZIL

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  1. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Aunque suene a critica; no lo es. Yo estoy tranquilo y contento por la presentacion que hiso Colombia. Colombia perdio porque se dejo llevar de la presion que es coloquialmente conosido como "se cagaron". Brazil llevo el partido al ambito fisico y Colombia se dejo llevar por la falta de experiencia. Colombia por la falta de experiencia nunca se recupero del gol tempranero.
     
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  2. pipevasquez

    pipevasquez Member+

    Sep 8, 2007
    Bogotá City
    La falta de experiencia de tipos que llevan como mínimo 5 años en Europa?
    Colombia no se dejo llevar por la presión, entro en el juego de Brasil, que no es el nuestro. Pero cagarse hubiese sido meterse todo atrás.
     
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  3. pipevasquez

    pipevasquez Member+

    Sep 8, 2007
    Bogotá City
    Ahora siendo consecuentes fuimos totalmente James y Cuadrado dependientes. Nos tapan a esos dos y somos inútiles. Los delanteros dieron pena todo el mundial. No nos hizo falta Falcao porque apareció un James goleador, pero ninguno reemplazo bien a Radamel.
     
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  4. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    cagarse es dejarse llevar por la presion... cuando dije que se cagaron es a eso a lo que me refiero.
    No se hecharon hacia atras se dejaron arrinconar por los brasileros.
    Nunca vi a nadie que intentara hacer una pausa y tratar de hacer 4 pases entre ellos para recuperarse del golpe animico
     
  5. pipevasquez

    pipevasquez Member+

    Sep 8, 2007
    Bogotá City
    Yo si que lo vi, como también vi la zarta de patadas en 30 primeros minutos. Y que también ver como poblo Brasil el medio campo. Fácil tampoco era.

    Igual lo que me da risa por no decir patetico. Es que ahí si ellos se cagaron, pero el resto del mundial ganamos todos verdad?
     
  6. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Pero si aporto mas que el en eliminatorias................si se me hizo descache no llevarlo.
     
  7. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Bacca entro bien ayer
     
  8. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    si regalaron patadas a diestra y siniestra para tratar de para el juego de Colombia, pero esque a Colombia tampoco le salia nada (gracias a la intimidacion) y a no recuperarse del gol. Que ironico que despues de el primer gol de Colombia por penal esos manes metieron a Brazil contra su propio arco. Osea Colombia jugo como debia jugar los ultimos min del partido y el resto del partido impactado por el golpe animico de el primer gol. Solo necesitaban que? 10 min para encajarles 2 goles legitimos? que cambio? las patadas? el arbitro? los jugadores?? nooo lo que cambio fue que ya se tenian confianza.
    Ahora que yo diga estas cosas no estoy criticando nada; pa eso siempre ha estado el foro, para analizar los partidos y eso fue la explicacion simplificada que di porque no se pudo sacar el resultado.

    A Chile lo levantaron a patada tambien, pero Chile tenia la experiencia de el mundial pasado y aun asi con un Vidal recien recuperado de lesion y Valdivia sin poder jugar porque se lesiono Medel aun asi logro llevar a Brazil a los penales.

    Lo de abajo ni te respondo, ya son ganas tuyas de crear polemica maricamente, cuando yo he estado aqui en estos foros desde hace mucho. Yo no apareci ayer cuando entro Pekerman a la selecion
     
  9. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Hey muchachones, a couple of questions:

    Why did Pekerman replace Aguilar with Guarin, when Aguilar had been one of the best central mids the whole tournament? Has he given a reason why the change?

    Is it just me, or the foul on Hulk that led to David Luiz's goal was a shameless dive? I don't think James even touched him, and he got a yellow for it!

    By the way, Quinteros and Bacca should have come in at the half for Guarin and Gutierrez. It would have been very possible to equalize then.
     
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  10. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    @elviejomen - Was that you causing all that trouble on Roosevelt Avenue yesterday? :D

    I watched one half at "Hairos" and the other at "Abuelo Gozon", the Colombians partied even after the loss :thumbsup:
     
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  11. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    lol nahhhh; I was with a couple of friends

    about Guarin..

    This is why Personally think Pekerman went that way
     
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  12. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I see, thanks for the explanation. A potentially costly mistake by Pekerman, sadly.
     
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  13. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    yeah but if the experiment would work then he will be considered a genious (like the 1 foward experiment, or putting the young Quintero against a strong african team such as IVC).
    You know that in football if you want to win stuff you have to risk, could be debateable yeah and people have good arguments to question Teo starting role. but the results back Pekerman.
    Maybe if we had previous world cup experience we would beat the Brazilians despite their phisicall approach to the game to shut down James.
    It almost reminds me of Italy vs Argentina Gentile vs Maradona, just Change Italy for Brazil Argentina for COlombia Gentile for Fernandihno and Maradona for James. (Not saying that James is at Maradona lvl but what he represents for our team was basically the same what maradona represented to Argentina and the Italians wanting to shut him down with strong tackles and obviously they could they were the home team
    the only difference was that Argentina have previous world cup experience in latter stages, something we didnt had
     
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  14. Siempreconlamecha

    Apr 4, 2005
    Llore en el estadio porque me senti robado. Lo peor fue la falta de humildad de algunos hinchas de Brasil que les dio por insultarnos y reirse de nosotros. Horrible la falta de respeto. Especialmente porque NO fue mejor Brasil. Me dejo mal sabor del pais.
     
  15. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That's how Brazilian fans are in general, which is why it will be awesome when they cry after losing. They won't win the WC.
     
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  16. viscajunior

    viscajunior Member+

    Aug 3, 2008
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Darle las gracias eternas a este grupo de jugadores y a DON JOSE NESTOR PEKERMAN y su grupo de colaboradores, no hay mas nada que hacer.
     
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  17. SoyDelMustang

    SoyDelMustang Member+

    Dec 24, 2007
    Flushing,Queens
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    First time I almost cried in front of my girlfriend. Only football can do that to me
     
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  18. viscajunior

    viscajunior Member+

    Aug 3, 2008
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #368 viscajunior, Jul 5, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2014
    Las veces que he llorado por futbol fue cuando no clasificamos a Corea Japon 2002, cuando Junior perdio las finales del 2003 y la ultima ahora en el 2014 y cuando quedo campeon en 2010. Ayer estuve a punto, pero me acorde que no valia la pena, este equipo nos dio mucho. Aplausos de pie y con el sombrero quitado.
     
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  19. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well, I after 2 busy days, here I am. I don't have anything new to add. We didn't lose because of the ref but he was the one who responsible to the fact that the match who should be the most entertaining in the tournament, became to a Bushido fight. I like that teams are playing strong, but the Brazilians crossed the line in the first half without Velasco's reaction, and we paid them back in the second half. It makes me laugh and angry at once when football fans are blaming Zuñiga for what he did to Neymar, but no one said anything about Fernandinho who could easily finish James his mundial as well with his brutal tackles...So please forgive me if I'm not gonna cry regarding Neymar's absence and Brazilians's tears.

    Professionally, I enjoyed so much from this tournament. I said that quarter final and beyond would make me very happy but we did more then that. It's not only the history, it's how we did it. 5 games, 4 wins and a loss to Brazil (it's not like that Holland eliminated us), we scored 12 goals and received 4. We played happy and fun football. I'm proud that my team came to play and not like other teams, like Belgium for example, who shit their pants every game, played ugly and arrive to the quarter just because the met weaker opponents. This tournament gives me a taste for more, can't wait for the Copa America.

    I'm not gonna blame Pekerman for anything, ont even that he went for Guaro and not Aguilar. But I do think that he made a mistake at half time. Bacca should have enter instead of Ibarbo (and not Ramos) and Aguilar instead of Guaro. I also didn't understood why to insist on Teo as a "9". Teo should play along Bacca or Falcao, if Pekerman wants one striker, maybe Jackson should have play. But it doesn't matter, I completely trust with Pekerman's decisions.

    The world cup is over for us, but we won't forget this tournament for a long time. Don't you forget that this is the basis for Russia 2018, we must qualify in 4 years and hopefully with Falcao and James who will be #1 in the world by then, sky is the limit. We have young and talented squad who should aim to win both Copa America in 2015 & 2016 and to reach higher in the next WC. But the most important thing is to renew Pekerman's contract. If he wants to continue, the FCF must do anything, but anything, so he will continue. I don't even wanna think about the option that he won't continue.

    MUCHAS GRACIAS GUERREROS POR HACERNOS MUY MUY FELIZ!
     
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  20. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yo si llore como niña jajajaja
     
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  21. lfsr1544

    lfsr1544 Member

    May 9, 2001
    Glen Rock, NJ
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think we all recognize that Guarin was absent and that Teo may not have warranted starting throughout all these matches (although i know he did not start vs Japan). But the player that disappointed the most for me was Ibarbo. He was so impressive in all our 5 pre WC friendlies going back to the Belgium friendly that we all saw him as our new super sub/cuadrado type of player that would wreck defenses and be an X factor in games. He seems to have lost all his confidence and never truly used his speed, ability or height to make a big impact.

    But besides all that we came into this world cup without Aldo, Falcao and Valencia, 3 regular starters in Pekerman's
    mix. All these 3 players would have had a major influence on that final QF match.

    I expect our guys to be in great form during these upcoming qualifiers and with the hopes of Pekerman still leading our team and with this experience now with us, having a deeper run in the next WC.

    Last but not least, we were VERY unlucky to be drawn in the hardest bracket to make it to that final. Truly unbalanced brackets.
     
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  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    Ibarbo played okay but not great. I don't think he is a left wing sort of player. I think he is best suited to be a player off the bench or staring more on the right as a supporting striker.

    Let's give the guy a pass. He was thrown in there with just some friendlies here and there.
    He was not a part of the process as long as other players who looked pretty bad.
     
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  23. SoyDelMustang

    SoyDelMustang Member+

    Dec 24, 2007
    Flushing,Queens
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yea maybe it's cause I've seen ibarbo since his nacional days but I'm confident he can come back strong. He's a player that needs space and against brazil. Well they just didn't give us any. He would've been way more dangerous in that game had he came on as a sub
     
  24. lfsr1544

    lfsr1544 Member

    May 9, 2001
    Glen Rock, NJ
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    No doubt Ibarbo will play for the NT in qualifiers but my point is that no player (outside of Guarin) had such a big drop in quality from those friendly match ups to the games played at the WC. He played that winger position in some of those friendlies. He would have been the guy actually covering Silva in that goal. My point is that he was relentless and never stopped running. In the WC play he was just your average player at best. Pekerman likely felt that given his raw talent all he needed was confidence. But he never came to be that player that we all expected.
     
  25. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Argentina va a ganar! :cool:
     
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