Will any African team make it out of the group stages at WC 2014?

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014: General' started by mfw13, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Indeed.

    FIFA always claims the groupings and scheduling are blind draws, but somehow the host country and other favored countries seem to quite comfortable groups and match schedules. You never see the host country in a GOD, for example, and they always seem to be the side that has extra rest days.
     
  2. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Maybe its because the host gets a seed, Goup A, and also the opening game. The first reduces the chances of a GOD (whatever that means these days) and the second and third guarantees at least one extra rest day.
     
  3. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark

    I don't see why being a seeded team reduces the risk of a GOD, and what are the odds that Brazil is the only country out of 32 that gets two extra rest days? Can't be very high.

    I should add that I understand why the host country would get favorable treatment, and it doesn't bother me all that much. I just wish they would dispense with the charade.
     
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  4. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    On the rest days playing the opening game pretty much guarantees a days extra rest when you play your second group game. Being in group A means you get to play your group games first so the chances of a rest day in the knockout rounds are also increased as you play against teams from groups who play later in the tournament than you.

    Brazil isn't a typical seed, and as everyone expects them to qualify regardless no one thinks of their groups as groups of death (except for the other three teams who are playing for one spot). Hosts like South Africa, Korea, Japan, Russia, Qatar etc will benefit from seeding as its unlikely they would be seeded in the first place. Their groups wiull comparatively be weaker, and its unlikely that any team rated a chance of winning will be knocked out in their respecrtive groups.
     
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  5. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    I'm not talking about extra rest days in the knockouts. I'm talking about extra rest days in group play, and the only team that has that for two matches is Brazil. Hard to believe it's just a coincidence. Croatia, the other team in the opening match, actually loses a rest day for their 3rd match, so they end up with a net of zero.
     
  6. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Yes, they probably could have structured the draw differently to remove the second day of extra rest.
     
  7. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    It's hard to compare these two groups as there is no North Korea which display the true lunacy of the system which treats all groups as equal. It's times like this that I wish the knockout rounds still had room for 3rd place teams as they did back in '94.
     
  8. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    We'll get something like that, I imagine, if they increase the size to 40 like it seems they are seriously considering. Will definitely appreciate that, as there are usually a handful of third place teams that would have been more deserving of a slot in the knockouts than teams advancing out of garbage groups. Teams like S. Africa, Ivory Coast, Switzerland, probably Slovenia could have gotten in via that system.
     
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  9. jimmysoccerstar

    jimmysoccerstar New Member

    Jun 6, 2014
    California
    Club:
    AC Ancona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    African teams were hardly thrashed by the opposition since last two world cup in there group stages. I think this time they have a better chances to came out with better performance.
     
  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  11. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Expectations were probably a little too high for African teams in 2010 and still Ghana made it to the semifinals (ok well they should have). This year nobody is expecting any of these teams to go anywhere but I think they could surprise some people. Algeria look very promising with a bunch of exciting young players but the others are capable of advancing as well.
     
  12. faiyez

    faiyez Member

    Feb 16, 2010
    Costa Rica
    Club:
    LD Alajuelense
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  13. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    There are various positives to draw from:
    - No last minute changes to the coach (Cote d'Ivoire, Nigeria, South Africa),
    - No infighting (Cameroon, Nigeria),
    - Improving in the FAs (Algeria, Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire)
    - No key injuries (Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire - re: Drogba's broken hand)
    - Positives signs of overall improvement from all the sides (Nigeria looked poor in preparation, but they are African champions)

    Add to that reasonable draws (save for Ghana) and why not? Hopefully CAF improve finally on their 1 team per cup.
     
  14. eurodad

    eurodad Member+

    Mar 15, 2005
    Brampton
    It will be interesting to see. African soccer is very physically demanding so it will be interesting to see how they do in the heat and humidity of Brazil.
     
  15. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Africa looking bad so far.
     
  16. Wessoman

    Wessoman Member+

    Sep 26, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least we know one thing: Cameroon won't.
     
  17. jus2nang

    jus2nang Member

    Dec 12, 2005
    North London
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    As I've maintained all along, Cameroon are complete garbage.

    Comparing them to Ghana (even when we are bad) is laughable.
     
  18. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has anybody watched Algeria much? I'm intrigued by them
     
  19. TabLalas

    TabLalas Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah they are.
    Totally disjointed play and half of their team isn't even getting up the field on the attack.
    I think Nigeria and Ivory Coast will play the same way.
    Ghana is once again, Africa's last hope.
     
  20. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Ivory Coast has always played good attacking soccer, no reason to think that would change. Their problem is their defence, and its a BIG problem.
     
  21. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    Well this was the key 3 points that Ivory Coast needed. After seeing Greece earlier you have to think Ivory Coast has a good chance for 3 points there too ... and then they're through
     
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  22. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Very likely, the Ivory Coast will make it to the knock out round, and quite clearly, Cameroon shouldn't.
     
  23. persianfootball

    persianfootball Member+

    Aug 5, 2004
    outside your realm
    ivory coast used their physical advantage against japan because japan was vulnerable. ivory coast has a weak defense. greece is one of the weakest teams so i wont be surprised, but i doubt ivory coast will get anything from colombia.
     
  24. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cameroon are weak. Ivory Coast are now in an excellent position. Ghana's group is too tough. Not expecting great things from Nigeria
     
  25. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I have not but they from my limited info will not be the boring Algeria you have come to expect (more attacking and less of the ultra defensive style you have come to expect from North Africa at the WC). Slimani who plays for Sporting Clube de Portugal (Sporting) is a good striker.
     

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